FO slots are rarely posted because they always have a stack of resumés to pull from; both off the street as well as internal recommendations. However, you can always send your resumé to “ [email protected] “ to get added to the stack. They just started a class with a handful FOs but things happen and some don’t make it, more so on the Brasilia side of things.

Never hurts to send an email and try to get in touch with a recruiter but having something extra on your resumé such as CFI will help set you apart.

What’s the best way to get ahold of pilot recruiting? Couldn’t find an email on the website. Just took me to the positions available (non-pilot positions available).

[email protected]

From the last page...

There's a contact form to fill out on the website, or just call and ask for recruiting.

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AMF is primarily a single pilot operation except for the EMB-120's...with the copilot's assignments to other airplanes mostly to aid them in meeting 135 minimums to become PIC, usually when there was an acute shortage of qualified individuals.

The FOs we hire are pretty much all through the flow program we have with UPS. Begining pilots start as interns at UPS while they are building their hours outside of work. Then they come to us once they reach roughly 500 TT. They fly right seat until they get the time to move to a 135 captain spot. A couple of years later, after reaching a couple thousand hours and type rating, they get priority to go back to UPS.

Understood. I’m pretty close to BE99 CA quals and wanted to see where y’all stand. I’ll reach out anyways to throw my name in for a future date.

Anyone else get offered a February class?

At 1200 hours do you automatically get upgraded out of the 120?

If you by "out of the 120" you mean into the BE99 and drop the 120 qual, maybe and maybe not. Depends on where you are based and if we still need FOs there. You will get upgraded to the BE99 captain position around 1200TT, provided you meet all part 135 mins (we had one FO recently that, while he had his 1200 TT, he was short of the 100 hours night.)

But we have had several FOs that have maintained their E120 qualification when they transition. It just depends on the overall staffing and if we are shorthanded in the FO positions at the time.

Ameriflight UPS Flight-Path
 

Hi everyone,

I'm a PPL student here aiming to be a cargo/airline pilot as a life goal. Have a couple questions in regard to Ameriflight's UPS FlightPath program and wonder if someone could help:
There are qualifications for the program. Is having a commercial pilot license with multi-engine and instrument rating the min. requirements to enroll it? Do I need to have any kind of recommendation from UPS management? I'm currently working for UPS in a different department.

I've graduated and got my master degree more than 2 years ago. Path II looks like requiring more flight time as a turboprop captain to start to program. Would it be a wise decision to enroll an undergraduate degree in community collage prior to starting the program at Ameriflight?
...

I have so many questions. Unfortunately, so far only the recruiting admin replied my email request. Hopefully someone familiar with this program could help me out. Many thanks!

I'm sorry I cannot help you with some of the specific hiring questions to start the process but I can at least give you an idea of what to expect while in the program.
You get hired on with UPS as an intern and work for them for at least 1 year (might be 2) and get paid $15/hr I think. During that time, you can build your flight hours so that you meet Ameriflight's FO minimum (500TT, 75 instrument, etc..). Then you work at Ameriflight as an FO (unless you meet PIC Mins) where they put you on the Brasilia, 1900 or Metro. When you meet PIC Mins you go into the Beech 99, then ideally you upgrade into a typed aircraft (1900 or Metro). I believe the minimum time required to be at Ameriflight is 3 years and then you get priority hiring back at UPS, it's not an automatic hire so keep your record clean.

A few things to consider; FO pay will be the same as your UPS intern pay (all the pay scales are on their website). Only the Brasilia is a 2 crew requirement so if you are put into the 1900 or Metro as an FO, that time will likely not count toward your ATP cert later on.

just remember.... flying a 100+ hrs a month as a copilot in a metro if you get into the charter department will get you into a be-99 far faste,r, thus earning higher pay and building PIC time faster than 30-50 hrs a month in an emb-120 as a copilot ...but flying the emb-120 does check off a box for multi-crew aircraft if I recall correctly.
Like in all paths, sometimes you must look closely, and weight pro's and con's. Nothing is set in stone as the BEST route, and the needs of both the company and YOUR flexibility will play a role.
Keep an open mind, and understand that flying cargo is not like a typical airline job you can be commuter ....It works for some (willing to move a couple times, usually with each equipment change), but not others. (Family situations are most common, sometimes related to a spouse's job, etc).

I believe the SIC PDP program now allows for that time to count towards the ATP mins. Obviously you’d have to be in the program and flying with the correct instructor captains. One of the newer 135 ops specs

Anybody know if Ameriflight will start hiring BE99 PIC's in the near future?

Absolutely. We have 4 in training from the March Indoc class and 5 slated in the April class. Contact recruiting and get your stuff in.

Will do, Thanks!

Hi QRH Bingo, thanks a lot for your comment! Sounds like a few years' patience will be needed before UPS hiring. I knew there is a Path II option which takes shorter period of time. But seems like that is for someone with more than adequate flight hours such as an existing airline pilot.

Thank you for the sincere suggestions, ZippyNH! I will take each one of these into consideration while choosing my career path. I met a FO from United Express said he's been waiting in Q for a while now to get an interview with a cargo airline. Is there really such a long line for pilot candidates during/after the pandemic?

Well noted. Thank you TeamSasquatch!

Glad to help.

Hi, will the BE99 instructor position afford me the same pathway and opportunities to become a part of the UPS Pathway program versus people who go to Ameriflight as CA or FOs? Thanks

I'm assuming you are talking about hiring direct into the training department as an instructor?

It should. If anything it might even give you a leg up since you will have time as an instructor and then possibly a check airman. You will still need to fulfill other requirements, such as transition into a typed airplane at some point. But it definitely wouldn't be a hindrance.

Is PHX or BUR an easy base to get after being hired?

Thanks!

Thanks for your quick response. I was contacted to interview for their BE99 instructor position in Dallas. Pretty stoked about it!

Is Ameriflight re-opening a Cincinnati base? I've noticed a couple line service and A&P jobs posted

In today’s world, would y’all go to a regional if you had a BE99 position offered to you or would you take the TPIC time at Ameriflight instead of 121 time (not knowing exactly when you’d be in a class though)?

Short answer; Yes.

That is too broad a question, really. Does this pertain specifically to you? Or just curious?

One would need to compare the two as they are two different animals and see which one fits best. Also need to look ahead, 2, 5, 10 years to where that person would LIKE to be (of course we all know anything can happen)

Ameriflight; Home every night with a Consistent Schedule (typically), average pay, older planes, usually quick aircraft upgrades (even faster if you’re willing to move), plenty of jump seat privileges (only for employee not for family), employee paid KCM, possible to join UPS/United pathway programs (but know United’s “aviate” will still require you to fly regionals anyway), currently the box market seems to be less affected by market swings and more stable...

Regional; Schedule will change month to month, away from home multiple days at a time, lots of reserve time in beginning, pay varies but a regional Captain will make more than Ameriflight, jump seat privileges slightly better for you but also include non-rev options for family, possible flow programs based on who you fly for, less job stability...

I’m sure there are others to add but there’s a start.

How about these scenarios;

Which individual would have better chances to end up at FedEx and which has better chances for Delta? Ameriflight or Regional?

Which individual would have better chances at Kalitta and which has better chances at Southwest? Aneriflight or Regional?

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Not an Ameriflight guy, but have flown part 135 turboprops and currently 121 regional dude. The folks I have seen move on the quickest to legacy are 121 check airman. Not saying its not possible feom the other routes, just depends on who you know more and timing in my opinion. For stuff like ACMI I know folks that had left seat Part 135 turboprop time and no trouble going to Atlas etc

I wouldn’t sit around to wait for a potential job at a regional that could crater in a year. Take a good job that is offered. It’s 12 months. Sure you’d be hauling bees out of Visalia at 3am but it beats playing a 5th Skyrim playthrough in your mom’s basement.

Did you get offered a BE99 position at AMF?

For context, there’s movement starting to happen in the industry. With my quals almost meeting CA mins, I wanted to set myself up for success. I do have a CJO with a regional. Though they asked who’s still interested and said training department is spoiling, they don’t know when they would take in new hires. Trying to decide what would be beneficial is all.

We are in the same boat. I have my ATP mins and will most likely go with AMF. Send me a DM as I’m in SoFlo too

Any idea on time frame and what they will be flying? I’m local and considering a career change from a desk job. Thanks

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Does she have juice boxes and lunchables?

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