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CRJ700Master 01-13-2017 02:47 PM

Be careful about jumping ship to Omni. Management has threatened the pilot group that airplanes will be sold and furlough notices mailed if the pilots won't accept the forced proposal from them. The pilot group is going to vote NO on anything less than what is asked, so if you leave your flying gig now, you will be furloughed sooner then later. BE CAREFUL.

Jetlife 01-14-2017 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop (Post 2278704)
The one thing everybody should give Ameriflight is that the company has endured. I'm class of 1988-89 and it's one of two companies still in business over my career.

It's endoured on the backs of its employees. I will give AMF that.

jonnyjetprop 01-16-2017 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2281453)
It's endoured on the backs of its employees. I will give AMF that.

Slaves were freed years ago. I assume you were a volunteer. I was one too.

foxtroutuniform 01-18-2017 03:44 PM

Does anyone have any intel on Flap Operator slots coming available.

PT6 Flyer 01-22-2017 09:00 AM

Ameriflight is advertising a VFR-only PA31 pilot position at Phoenix.

https://ameriflight.hrmdirect.com/em...ampaign=Indeed

Will these flights not be filing IFR flight plans? If an airport is IMC, will flights to that airport be postponed or cancelled?

Gapilot 01-22-2017 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by PT6 Flyer (Post 2286149)
Ameriflight is advertising a VFR-only PA31 pilot position at Phoenix.

https://ameriflight.hrmdirect.com/em...ampaign=Indeed

Will these flights not be filing IFR flight plans? If an airport is IMC, will flights to that airport be postponed or cancelled?

I wonder if there any Ameriflight pilot that are doing the CA VFR pilot and is it possible to be able to go home on weekend or can a person be able to do a two week on and two week off deal or are you working every week? I am thinking of putting in for the VFR pilot position, because I would like to get a flying job and if I get hired I work to where I can move back to the Northwest when I can move to the IFR 135 job in either the PDX or SEA. The reason is I have a family and I wonder if anyone was able to do something like this while having a young kid with the spouse working at the same time.

Thanks for any tips or response to my question

sobo 01-22-2017 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by PT6 Flyer (Post 2286149)
Ameriflight is advertising a VFR-only PA31 pilot position at Phoenix.

https://ameriflight.hrmdirect.com/em...ampaign=Indeed

Will these flights not be filing IFR flight plans? If an airport is IMC, will flights to that airport be postponed or cancelled?

They will be on a VFR flight plan. These "VFR only" jobs are a way for Ameriflight to hire captains at 800 hours and help them get to 1200 hours so they can be an regular captain at the company. The flight will not go if the weather is IFR. However, in PHX and ABQ - this is rarely a thing.


Originally Posted by Gapilot (Post 2286424)
I wonder if there any Ameriflight pilot that are doing the CA VFR pilot and is it possible to be able to go home on weekend or can a person be able to do a two week on and two week off deal or are you working every week? I am thinking of putting in for the VFR pilot position, because I would like to get a flying job and if I get hired I work to where I can move back to the Northwest when I can move to the IFR 135 job in either the PDX or SEA. The reason is I have a family and I wonder if anyone was able to do something like this while having a young kid with the spouse working at the same time.

Thanks for any tips or response to my question

I would assume not. The company isn't exactly desperate for VFR only drivers. Like I said above, it's simply a way to turn an unqualified candidate into a qualified IFR captain, fast, and under the AMF umbrella.

If I was you, I would apply for a EMB-120 First officer position as there are three EMB's in PDX and SEA. Beech 99 positions are easy to come by in PDX after you reach 1200 hours.

Gapilot 01-22-2017 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 2286430)
They will be on a VFR flight plan. These "VFR only" jobs are a way for Ameriflight to hire captains at 800 hours and help them get to 1200 hours so they can be an regular captain at the company. The flight will not go if the weather is IFR. However, in PHX and ABQ - this is rarely a thing.



I would assume not. The company isn't exactly desperate for VFR only drivers. Like I said above, it's simply a way to turn an unqualified candidate into a qualified IFR captain, fast, and under the AMF umbrella.

If I was you, I would apply for a EMB-120 First officer position as there are three EMB's in PDX and SEA. Beech 99 positions are easy to come by in PDX after you reach 1200 hours.

Just to be sure I understand, for someone like me who has a family, it more recommened that I go for the FO spot on the Emb-120 then try and get on as a VFR Capt? Sound like if I went and get hired as a VFR CA it would be tough to get chance to be home, which I would be away for awhile till I get the 1200 hour to move over to the PDX or SEA to fly the Beech 99.

I went to the Ameriflight website and it look like they had bumped up their requirement for the FO it went from 500 to 800 TT. I am guessing they have alot of people in the pool for the Emb-120 but it doesnt show just for the aircraft it just states FO requirements. maybe you might know sobo are they putting fo on the other aircraft the 1900 and the the metro?

sobo 01-22-2017 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Gapilot (Post 2286437)
Just to be sure I understand, for someone like me who has a family, it more recommened that I go for the FO spot on the Emb-120 then try and get on as a VFR Capt? Sound like if I went and get hired as a VFR CA it would be tough to get chance to be home, which I would be away for awhile till I get the 1200 hour to move over to the PDX or SEA to fly the Beech 99.

I went to the Ameriflight website and it look like they had bumped up their requirement for the FO it went from 500 to 800 TT. I am guessing they have alot of people in the pool for the Emb-120 but it doesnt show just for the aircraft it just states FO requirements. maybe you might know sobo are they putting fo on the other aircraft the 1900 and the the metro?

Get on the E-120 and stay on it until 1200. Otherwise be prepared to sacrifice your home life until you hit 1200.

They do put people as first officers in the Metro and the B1900, but not in the PNW. This is typically high-time only runs and will land you doing glow flights in the east.

We are a 4.5 days on, 2.5 days off company. Home based captains and system wide reserve is typically only for B99 and larger equipment captains only.

Gapilot 01-22-2017 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 2286472)
Get on the E-120 and stay on it until 1200. Otherwise be prepared to sacrifice your home life until you hit 1200.

They do put people as first officers in the Metro and the B1900, but not in the PNW. This is typically high-time only runs and will land you doing glow flights in the east.

We are a 4.5 days on, 2.5 days off company. Home based captains and system wide reserve is typically only for B99 and larger equipment captains only.

Thanks Sobo, I very much thank you taking the time to answer a few of my questions, it help me to think about what I need to do for myself and my family, I have been thinking of doing Ameriflight which I hope to meet the recruiters this coming Feb 25-26 for the Northwest Aviation show if they are planning to be there for the show in the Seattle area.

I would really like to fly for them especially in the FO program that would lead to the captains spot on the B99 I will be checking in on the website though out the year and try to keep my flying up as much as I can and work toward that 1200 hour.

Thanks again.

PT6 Flyer 01-22-2017 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 2286430)
They will be on a VFR flight plan. These "VFR only" jobs are a way for Ameriflight to hire captains at 800 hours and help them get to 1200 hours so they can be an regular captain at the company. The flight will not go if the weather is IFR. However, in PHX and ABQ - this is rarely a thing.

Sobo, thanks for the info. I really appreciate your help.

It seems that AMF is always advertising for PA31 pilots in PHX and ABQ (IFR as well as VFR, I'm not sure). Why? Is it because, as you say, pilots get their 1,200 hours and then move onto something like a B99? Or is there anything about the PA31 PHX and ABQ runs that people do not like?

dvtpilot 01-22-2017 10:07 PM

Out of curiosity, do the EMB120s all have a GPS installed and are you guys using an efb at all?

sobo 01-23-2017 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by PT6 Flyer (Post 2286534)
Sobo, thanks for the info. I really appreciate your help.

It seems that AMF is always advertising for PA31 pilots in PHX and ABQ (IFR as well as VFR, I'm not sure). Why? Is it because, as you say, pilots get their 1,200 hours and then move onto something like a B99? Or is there anything about the PA31 PHX and ABQ runs that people do not like?

The VFR PA31 program (in PHX and ABQ) is somewhat of a pipeline program to get you moved into either bigger equipment in our system or at the very least onto an IFR route with the PA31.

Pay for the BE99 and PA31 is equal.


Originally Posted by dvtpilot (Post 2286539)
Out of curiosity, do the EMB120s all have a GPS installed and are you guys using an efb at all?

All of our EMB-120's are equipped with a Garmin 420W. However, no one in the system is approved to shoot any GPS approaches as the sim training we received does not have a GPS and we do not do any in-aircraft training or checking for the GPS.

It's basically a tool to allow you direct routing and to provide increased situational awareness.

AMF as a whole does not use an EFB. Hope you like updating Jepps manually, because you will be doing it a lot.

BeechPilot33 01-25-2017 02:51 PM

[QUOTE=own nav;2260694]While I'm doing my best to stay out of the conversation (I like it when Jetlife and others bring up good valid points for discussion without getting nasty), I must say there is a missing point here.

That is, AMF has changed their pay structure to promote long term employment. While, yes, most pilots are eyeing the shiny airlners, and use Regionals and AMF as a stepping stone, there is now a more viable option to stay around longer if you don't see what you like in your options moving on.

QUOTE]

A consideration is that there is currently a pilot shortage. The carriers like AMF will have trouble hiring before the top-tier regionals will. So that is not good for long-term health of the company.

Delta is hiring tons of regional FO's now with zero TPIC time. So it's not as important now as before. We have upgrades at 1,000 hours now; Jet 121 time so you don't need to risk your ticket and life in old equipment like before. With the big 4 retiring thousands of pilots it's not likely that you would have to "stick it out" at a stepping-stone carrier. Even then, for example at my regional we have guys with 2 years on property making 100k+ per year with mainline flight benefits, healthcare, and profit sharing bonuses. I flew turboprops with no autopilot in hard IMC, it makes you a good pilot, I get it. But there are better options now.

Jetlife 01-25-2017 03:02 PM

I think the flow programs (if they actually work for the pilots, because the first Allegiant preferential agreement did not) will help a bit, but it will not shorten your length of time to go to an ULCC from AMF versus a regional.

I have heard lots of talks of flow agreements but the details have not been released from AMF that I have seen. Seems weird that they wouldn't immediately release the details on how long and what qualifications it would take to walk through the door at AMF, to then get to Frontier and Allegiant.

sobo 01-25-2017 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2288274)
I think the flow programs (if they actually work for the pilots, because the first Allegiant preferential agreement did not) will help a bit, but it will not shorten your length of time to go to an ULCC from AMF versus a regional.

I have heard lots of talks of flow agreements but the details have not been released from AMF that I have seen. Seems weird that they wouldn't immediately release the details on how long and what qualifications it would take to walk through the door at AMF, to then get to Frontier and Allegiant.

We have them internally on our pilot portal. I'm sure the recruiting department is happy to tell prospects all about the flows.

  • 24 months of employment at Ameriflight.
  • 2500 total time. Which will consist of 1500 hours to ATP and 1000 hrs in type rated equipment.
  • A letter of recommendation from the VP of Flight or Chief Pilot.
  • Be in good standing with Ameriflight in regards to financial obligations and/or agreements.
  • Completed a satisfactory review by Allegiant of attendance,
  • dependability, reliability, training records and disciplinary action records.
  • Meet all of Allegiant’s standard new-hire corporate employment
  • provisions.
  • Have not failed any checking events within in the previous 18 months.
  • Have satisfactorily completed an Ameriflight checking event (initial or recurrent) within 90 days of the anticipated class date.

The frontier one is similar. In all fairness, I do not think a lot of the pilots here see any of these flows as the best way to get to the career they hope for. However, for some of the guys who stuck through the good times and bad - this may be a nice treat. These flows have quite a bit of hoops to jump through to make them work.

Jetlife 01-25-2017 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 2288365)
We have them internally on our pilot portal. I'm sure the recruiting department is happy to tell prospects all about the flows.


The frontier one is similar. In all fairness, I do not think a lot of the pilots here see any of these flows as the best way to get to the career they hope for. However, for some of the guys who stuck through the good times and bad - this may be a nice treat. These flows have quite a bit of hoops to jump through to make them work.

Those are not even remotely close to a real flow program. The entire essence of a flow program, is that there are ZERO hoops to jump through.

I really am not trying to start another argument here, but the term flow means you just go when the time comes. The stuff you listed make it so subjective and political that the chances of anyone doing it are slim. Nobody should be going to AMF with the idea of getting a job there. However if you are set on going to AMF already, then it is a nice perk should you be able to utilize it.

Gapilot 01-25-2017 07:52 PM

maybe one of you might know what it means
 
I had just recently looked at ameriflight pilot requirement page and they have an item there that say Part 135 Captain with ameriflight waiver. I wonder what they mean by with ameriflight waiver which show a total time of 1000 for people that can apply under that. Did the company happen to get an approval from the FAA or how does that work for someone that does not meet the IFR requirement? do they put them on as a VFR Captain because there was nothing show a difference between this being a VFR position or will be flying under the IFR position.

However, I am bummed that they raised the First Officer requirement from 500 to 800 total now. :( I hope it would come back down again so that I can put in for it in the future but i will continue to find way to build that time to where I could get a shot to get in.

Also does anyone know if they will be appearing at the Northwest Aviation Trade show this Feb 24-26? I am going to attend it to get some good information and maybe find a chance for a job as a part time pilot or as an Advance Ground Instructor position.

dvtpilot 01-27-2017 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 2286630)
The VFR PA31 program (in PHX and ABQ) is somewhat of a pipeline program to get you moved into either bigger equipment in our system or at the very least onto an IFR route with the PA31.

Pay for the BE99 and PA31 is equal.



All of our EMB-120's are equipped with a Garmin 420W. However, no one in the system is approved to shoot any GPS approaches as the sim training we received does not have a GPS and we do not do any in-aircraft training or checking for the GPS.

It's basically a tool to allow you direct routing and to provide increased situational awareness.

AMF as a whole does not use an EFB. Hope you like updating Jepps manually, because you will be doing it a lot.

Good info to have. It's been a long while since I've had to do strictly /A in a sim
And checkride. One would think If they spent the dollars for the gps units that it would be a simple add on for training, but maybe not.

radish 01-27-2017 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Gapilot (Post 2288426)
I had just recently looked at ameriflight pilot requirement page and they have an item there that say Part 135 Captain with ameriflight waiver. I wonder what they mean by with ameriflight waiver which show a total time of 1000 for people that can apply under that. Did the company happen to get an approval from the FAA or how does that work for someone that does not meet the IFR requirement? do they put them on as a VFR Captain because there was nothing show a difference between this being a VFR position or will be flying under the IFR position.

However, I am bummed that they raised the First Officer requirement from 500 to 800 total now. :( I hope it would come back down again so that I can put in for it in the future but i will continue to find way to build that time to where I could get a shot to get in.

Also does anyone know if they will be appearing at the Northwest Aviation Trade show this Feb 24-26? I am going to attend it to get some good information and maybe find a chance for a job as a part time pilot or as an Advance Ground Instructor position.

I also saw the "ameriflight waiver" on their website. Does anyone have any information on that?

newpilotusa 01-29-2017 04:28 PM

How competitive are the VFR Only Captain jobs? Are many applying?

PT6 Flyer 01-30-2017 01:40 PM

Ameriflight is now advertising a PA31 job in ABQ requiring only 500 hours. (At least I'm pretty sure it's Ameriflight.)

https://www.pilothiring.com/pilot-jo...A31-23637.html

sobo 01-30-2017 05:49 PM

Not too sure if the waiver is in effect yet, and I'm not too sure what the restrictions will be. I will call the recruiting department and see what the deal is.

The VFR captain positions aren't super competitive, they typically get people who are less experienced on multi-engine aircraft to fly them if I recall correctly.

PILOTO74 02-01-2017 06:49 PM

Hi Guys, a little help here , 1300TT/ 100 ME/ 80 SIC Phenom 100. Live in PHX and thinking AMF to avoid commute so the questions are:

-Can I request PHX to the recruiter and expect that to be granted??
-I understand you basically get out real early and fly the route back to PHX, late afternoon.Do you get a hotel to rest or just have to be sitting at the FBO?
-The $35 perdiem is paid for this flights M-F?

Any info is greatly appreciated

DarkSideMoon 02-01-2017 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by PILOTO74 (Post 2292916)
Hi Guys, a little help here , 1300TT/ 100 ME/ 80 SIC Phenom 100. Live in PHX and thinking AMF to avoid commute so the questions are:

-Can I request PHX to the recruiter and expect that to be granted??
-I understand you basically get out real early and fly the route back to PHX, late afternoon.Do you get a hotel to rest or just have to be sitting at the FBO?
-The $35 perdiem is paid for this flights M-F?

Any info is greatly appreciated

Phenom 100 SIC?

own nav 02-02-2017 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by PILOTO74 (Post 2292916)
Hi Guys, a little help here , 1300TT/ 100 ME/ 80 SIC Phenom 100. Live in PHX and thinking AMF to avoid commute so the questions are:

-Can I request PHX to the recruiter and expect that to be granted??
-I understand you basically get out real early and fly the route back to PHX, late afternoon.Do you get a hotel to rest or just have to be sitting at the FBO?
-The $35 perdiem is paid for this flights M-F?

Any info is greatly appreciated

Yes, you will likely get PHX if you make it a condition of employment, yes they provide a hotel (in a few cases a company apartment) on an all day layover. No, you don't get per diem unless you are away from your base for more than 24 hours (ie TDY).

kcartwright27 02-02-2017 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2292967)
Phenom 100 SIC?

Does that seem odd to you ?

bajthejino 02-04-2017 07:59 AM

Anyone home based? Curious to hear how thats going for you.

PILOTO74 02-06-2017 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by kcartwright27 (Post 2293505)
Does that seem odd to you ?

Got a "type rating" for SIC privileges only from CAE and flew part 91, is that something odd or wrong?? Im not allow to log that time?? thanks for the help.

PILOTO74 02-06-2017 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by own nav (Post 2293501)
Yes, you will likely get PHX if you make it a condition of employment, yes they provide a hotel (in a few cases a company apartment) on an all day layover. No, you don't get per diem unless you are away from your base for more than 24 hours (ie TDY).

Thanks for the info!!

Jetlife 02-06-2017 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by PILOTO74 (Post 2296321)
Got a "type rating" for SIC privileges only from CAE and flew part 91, is that something odd or wrong?? Im not allow to log that time?? thanks for the help.

The 100 is a single pilot airplane. My guess since you were part 91 that you didn't have any Op Specs requiring an SIC as a required crew member. So no, you shouldn't log nor count that time.

PILOTO74 02-06-2017 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2296330)
The 100 is a single pilot airplane. My guess since you were part 91 that you didn't have any Op Specs requiring an SIC as a required crew member. So no, you shouldn't log nor count that time.

Darn that is a bummer , didn't know that , so all that time is worthless?? Guess that I have to find 3 more months and 80 hours of 152 to make it up and I thought that was the highlight of my resume :)

PT6 Flyer 02-06-2017 08:20 PM

Hey Piloto, do you have any links online to where we can look at how CAE is offering that "type rating"? We would like to see this.

Jetlife 02-06-2017 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by PILOTO74 (Post 2296382)
Darn that is a bummer , didn't know that , so all that time is worthless?? Guess that I have to find 3 more months and 80 hours of 152 to make it up and I thought that was the highlight of my resume :)

Now you know. All that time is worthless.

Jetlife 02-06-2017 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by PT6 Flyer (Post 2296404)
Hey Piloto, do you have any links online to where we can look at how CAE is offering that "type rating"? We would like to see this.

He most likely went to CAE for a part 91 SIC course in the Phenom. You don't do a real checkride for a 91 course you just get the type at the end. You can also just do 3 bounces in it and get a type from the FSDO.

DarkSideMoon 02-07-2017 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by PILOTO74 (Post 2296382)
Darn that is a bummer , didn't know that , so all that time is worthless?? Guess that I have to find 3 more months and 80 hours of 152 to make it up and I thought that was the highlight of my resume :)

I mean, it's not completely worthless. Future employers are going to look favorably on the fact that you had jet training. It just won't count towards total time.

DarkSideMoon 02-07-2017 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by kcartwright27 (Post 2293505)
Does that seem odd to you ?

It's a single pilot airplane, so kind of. 80 hours seems low for them to have been working 135 or 91k, which would be the only two cases you could log SIC in a single pilot airplane.

PILOTO74 02-07-2017 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by PT6 Flyer (Post 2296404)
Hey Piloto, do you have any links online to where we can look at how CAE is offering that "type rating"? We would like to see this.

No links , I worked for a 135 operator in a management position and the owner gave me the chance to go for the type rating,it was the whole training 3 weeks at Dallas and 7 SIM sessions with a checkride at the end. Got the endorsement on my license for SIC priveleges only but I never completed the 135 checkride so I just jumped in it everytime that I could on the 91 legs under the impression that I was building time. Well it was good experience and hopefully the endorsement will look good in my license for future employers.


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