The main reason is that the C402 and BN2 use the GNS430W for nav, so no charts built in. Since FOs are generally not required, they would need to include an EFB with the aircraft as the required redundancy to the captains EFB. Realistically, no one will keep that redundancy charged and updated, and sitting outside overnight in the snow would probably kill the batteries anyway.

Since they need paper charts for redundancy regardless, they haven’t invested in certifying an EFB. It’s a cost saving measure, but they don’t want to put any money into platforms they are retiring. The plan is for the P212 to replace both of those fleets. Definitely a shame because there have been many times I wished I had that added situational awareness. It does help that most folks have a pretty small set of routes they fly so you get very familiar with your typical destinations.

 

Hello

My apologies for the thread drift/creeping.

Searched and couldn't find a definitive answer.

I'm trying to get from SJU-EIS. Current Delta pilot. APC profile says Cape Air is CASS; would I be able to list as a jump seater for that route, even though it's international? Looks like there are multiple flights per day.

Any guidance is greatly appreciated.

 

What will I get on the C402 or P2012? Is it better to go here instead of waiting for a regional airline?

 

Depends on what you want to accomplish and where you stand in the stack.
If you don't seem to be getting a bite on your apps and wish to improve the resumé, go for it. But nothing comes without risk. I believe they do have a training bond (if that matters) and a record of your part 135 training will follow, for better or for worse. What you gain would be real world, all weather, daily ops in a more complex airplane. It would also make the transition into the regional world a little easier.

 

How about CAPE AIR training? Is it systematic training?

 

they won't openly say they deter pilots from getting the ATP when typed but they say support it on the recurrent not on the initial. that being said, the examiner just needs to click another box or two, so if they're willing to do that, you should be able to get the ATP at the same time.

 

test my test go test

 

Anything interesting going on in CapeAir ?

 

My two cents:

Fantastic round dial real world instrument experience. I started flying in a Twin Otter in the 1980’s in the NE . No autopilot, no HSI, no DME. At least 6 legs a day sometimes 8 or more into LGA, JFK made a solid old school instrument pilot with outstanding situational awareness. Made for an easy transition to right seat in a 727 where we did NDB approaches every sim check ride.

No disrespect, but many today are children of the magenta line and have very poor basic instrument skills and situational awareness. Since most regionals and legacy aircraft are all glass. The experience you’ll get is second to none and will last you the rest of your life and put you miles ahead of those that learned only on glass and are children the magenta line!

Many new hire FO’s on the 777 I fly with couldn’t fly their way out of the paper bag, scary really. If given the opportunity run don’t walk.