Single Piston Part 135
05-16-2015, 05:38 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Captain Quint
Hi FO123,
I think your looking for the small corner of a very niche market. Very hard to charter because of the (I think) day VFR only rule for 135 ops. Maybe a lease back to a rental outfit.
I have no experience in the Mirrage but it seems like a very capable airplane for private travel.
Curious what part of the country you are looking to base it in. In the summer time there would be some market for it in the NE. Going from HPN or TEB to HTO, MVY or ACK. But there is a ton of competition in those markets.
Best of luck!
I think your looking for the small corner of a very niche market. Very hard to charter because of the (I think) day VFR only rule for 135 ops. Maybe a lease back to a rental outfit.
I have no experience in the Mirrage but it seems like a very capable airplane for private travel.
Curious what part of the country you are looking to base it in. In the summer time there would be some market for it in the NE. Going from HPN or TEB to HTO, MVY or ACK. But there is a ton of competition in those markets.
Best of luck!
05-17-2015, 04:53 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by PerfInit
Quick answer, I''m fairly certain that 14 CFR Part 135 (carrying revenue passengers) prohibits Single Engine IFR with non-turbine powered aircraft. I don't have the exact rule handy, but Part 135 speaks to a requirement for an approved engine monitoring program. Oil analysis and compression checks don't suffice... 135 requires a higher level of safety when carrying passengers under IFR.
135 Cargo only is OK for SE piston under IFR...
135 Cargo only is OK for SE piston under IFR...
Single engine piston aircraft are allowed to carry pasengers under IFR. There are certain requirements they must meet, so not all single engine recips are eligible, however they most certainly are allowed.
My previous company operated a fleet of Cirrus SR-22s exclusively for 135 pax charter.
05-17-2015, 06:18 AM
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Cirrus SR-22 is the only Recip powered SE 135 IFR exception that I am aware of, due to the fact that they have an approved engine monitoring program that meets the regulatory requirement. See 14 CFR Part 135, Section 135.421(c).
Last edited by PerfInit; 05-17-2015 at 06:50 AM.
05-17-2015, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
Because they are dangerously under-powered. 
05-17-2015, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PerfInit
Cirrus SR-22 is the only Recip powered SE 135 IFR exception that I am aware of, due to the fact that they have an approved engine monitoring program that meets the regulatory requirement. See 14 CFR Part 135, Section 135.421(c).
05-18-2015, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PerfInit
Cirrus SR-22 is the only Recip powered SE 135 IFR exception that I am aware of, due to the fact that they have an approved engine monitoring program that meets the regulatory requirement. See 14 CFR Part 135, Section 135.421(c).
(c) For each single engine aircraft to be used in passenger-carrying IFR operations, each certificate holder must incorporate into its maintenance program either:
(1) The manufacturer's recommended engine trend monitoring program, which includes an oil analysis, if appropriate, or
(2) An FAA approved engine trend monitoring program that includes an oil analysis at each 100 hour interval or at the manufacturer's suggested interval, whichever is more frequent.
My previous company had an oil analysis program that met section 2 of these requirements. Neither of these provisions are exclusive to the Cirrus SR22 or the Continental IO-550N engine.
05-18-2015, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
Huh? Did you ever hear of a Piper Saratoga or cherokee 6. Flew lots of bank checks in those but of course nobody flies bank-checks anymore
The question was posed as "single piston" as opposed to "SE piston", hence the "dangerously under-powered" reply with a
. I know, I know. Too clever by 1/2.
05-18-2015, 11:57 AM
#20
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OK for all those that are smarter than I am, how about 135.163(f)(g)? Which S/E Recip airplanes besides the SR-22 meet the equipment requirements of 135.163? STC?? Also, there is 135.181, the catch all. Pretty restrictive.....
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