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Old 03-26-2013, 02:54 PM
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Wow so what everyone is wanting to know is can a guy, who's never flown the a/c..Has no experience/knowledge of any systems, limitations of that a/c....has absolutely zero training on the handling characteristics of the a/c.. Sit in the right seat.. ?

Hell why not just have him sit in the back, that's about as much help he'd be in an emergency...

And people wonder why professional 121 pilots look down upon rag tag 91 outfits
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:56 PM
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I don't think your opinion jives with what FAR 61.55 or some of us said. FAR 61.55 specifies the training and experience, what's your point?

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Old 03-26-2013, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
Wow so what everyone is wanting to know is can a guy, who's never flown the a/c..Has no experience/knowledge of any systems, limitations of that a/c....has absolutely zero training on the handling characteristics of the a/c.. Sit in the right seat.. ?

Hell why not just have him sit in the back, that's about as much help he'd be in an emergency...

And people wonder why professional 121 pilots look down upon rag tag 91 outfits
I'm sure that with Huggy's flight experience that he would have pretty good SA about what is happening and probably be just fine on the radios too if an emergency happened.
Many professional -121 guys look down on *anyone* else because they look at themselves as the cat's meow of aviation.
Otherwise - as GF pointed out - the regs pretty much lay it out.
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:01 PM
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Regs, which pretty much govern FAR 121 training. Yes, their is a approved training program, but airline F/O training is pretty much 61.55. BTW, that's why so many RJ F/Os are crying the blues about getting ATPs.

I'll bet 91 operators have a greater percentage of fully type-rated ATP holders than the regionals.

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Old 03-26-2013, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
And people wonder why professional 121 pilots look down upon rag tag 91 outfits
How many rag tag 121 operators are there out there? Are you saying that 91 corporate pilots are less professional than you because you're a 121 pilot, or that 121 pilots are immune to stupidity? Everyone, whether it be 91, 121, or 135, has made a questionable decision at one point. If that isn't arrogance then I don't know what is.

I grew up in corporate aviation and the one thing that always bothers my old man is that he is grouped into the same category as a cessna 150 even though he flies Gulfstreams. And how 121 pilots think they aren't, like you said, professionals. A part 91 pilot has a lot more planning to do than any 121 pilot when they go on trips.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:24 PM
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61.55 explains it all for a SIC qualification. Follow the reg, and document the ground and flight training well. That way if you chose to visit a FSDO to put the SIC on your certificate, you won't encounter any issues.

Insurance is a whole other ballgame. Some of the stuff out there is legitimate, some of it is BS. Experienced both sides of the insurance world when I flew Part 91.

Having said that, and having done a 61.55 before, the training you put fourth determines the end result. Spend a lot of time with the manuals. Study systems, memory items, limitations, normal and emergency and abnormal procedures, etc. Spend some quality time with your trainer doing ground and learn the airplane. Go up and do some quality flying in the plane in excess of just the basics of 61.55. The more, the better, and really think about the type you're going to be flying. Doing the bare minimums doesn't cut it sometimes.

Have fun! Always cool to have another type to put in the logbook.

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