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Old 04-09-2019, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax View Post
I can't find that language in the loa?
Before I go any further, I'm not disagreeing with you. It's gonna make a mess.

When this went on for the roadshow, the NC sold it that way, and the absence of language was the protection. There is nothing in the contract about it reversing; therefore, they cannot reverse it. Ask any of the guys who voted this in, they voted on it with the idea that it would not be reversed. The company had this understanding as well when it was negotiated.

Where this will go, who knows, I certainly hope that it goes in our favor. It's the only thing we have at this point.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Lahey View Post
Before I go any further, I'm not disagreeing with you. It's gonna make a mess.

When this went on for the roadshow, the NC sold it that way, and the absence of language was the protection. There is nothing in the contract about it reversing; therefore, they cannot reverse it. Ask any of the guys who voted this in, they voted on it with the idea that it would not be reversed. The company had this understanding as well when it was negotiated.

Where this will go, who knows, I certainly hope that it goes in our favor. It's the only thing we have at this point.
When has any ambiguous language gone our way? I can’t remember a single instance.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:05 AM
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The April class is being held on April 15th vs April 9th. It was adjusted due to Sun N Fun.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:19 AM
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Yeah well PDT MEC better swing for the damn fences. Even if we got the highest 50 seat pay in the industry, this place still blows.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
I don’t think you have a full grasp on exactly what transpired between PSA ALPA, our management, and AAG. We got some pretty big somethings for nothing recently between our new pay rates and our premium pay LOA. And there have been several other recent improvements plus more to come.

If you don’t think what the pilots at PSA have achieved recently is good then do better. We’ll be cheering you on the whole way. I hope you get pay raises that are better than ours. I won’t feel slighted in the least if you end up with more than us.

We are benefitting from new union leadership that is hellbent on making big positive strides for this pilot group and management that shares many of their views and vision for us. Our union and our leadership at PSA went to bat for us with AAG and swung for the fences. And look where it got us.
ENY ALPA put out a communication that says the opposite
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PDTFlyer View Post
When has any ambiguous language gone our way? I can’t remember a single instance.
The damage that reducing the flow would do is huge. I don't think it's in managements best interest to do so.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by aviator493 View Post
Hope we hear something soon. I mean, there shouldn’t be any reason we don’t match at least via percentage of raise that they got. Wonder what Envoy is doing?


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Isn’t first year FO pay still technically in the region of $25/hour? Everyone is just bumped up to year 3 pay. That was the justification I remember for not increasing FO pay at all with last year’s TA. A percentage match based increase wouldn’t necessarily help you in that situation?
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:30 AM
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The damage that reducing the flow would do is huge. I don't think it's in managements best interest to do so.
It is most definitely not in their best interests.

That is, if they’re interested in having airplanes in the sky.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Lahey View Post
Before I go any further, I'm not disagreeing with you. It's gonna make a mess.

When this went on for the roadshow, the NC sold it that way, and the absence of language was the protection. There is nothing in the contract about it reversing; therefore, they cannot reverse it. Ask any of the guys who voted this in, they voted on it with the idea that it would not be reversed. The company had this understanding as well when it was negotiated.

Where this will go, who knows, I certainly hope that it goes in our favor. It's the only thing we have at this point.
And loa 12 was never supposed to be used the way it is now. Im sorry, you can't trust anyone right now till it's signed by both parties in clear language.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:47 PM
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Couple bits of good news for yall even if it has to go to the courts for the first one. The NC has very clear notes and it was agreed upon in the room the flow can never go below the highest it gets to. If they are stupid enough to do that they are digging their own grave.

Secondly your raises are coming. 100%. No conditions on them.
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