Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
10-02-2017, 08:31 AM
#671
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 257
What happened to my post
I posted a rather big post about China and it's gone. WTH? Is APC not for info purposes??? The irony of internet control is overwhelming.
So, some pilots in Hong Kong just lost their housing. Pollution, communism, cuisine, political unrest AND INTERNET POLICING AND CONTROL, are reasons why so many aern't flocking to China. You couldn't pay me enough. A stinky NY crash pad with no heat in the middle of winter would beat China on a good day.
Then there is the military, airspace and flying with certain pilots in that country.
So, some pilots in Hong Kong just lost their housing. Pollution, communism, cuisine, political unrest AND INTERNET POLICING AND CONTROL, are reasons why so many aern't flocking to China. You couldn't pay me enough. A stinky NY crash pad with no heat in the middle of winter would beat China on a good day.
Then there is the military, airspace and flying with certain pilots in that country.
10-02-2017, 09:12 AM
#672
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
Originally Posted by Theaveragejoker
The flow is important, it's the tiebreaker. Without the money though, the WO's weren't even in the game.
10-02-2017, 03:16 PM
#673
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Posts: 761
Originally Posted by Boats and Hos
I posted a rather big post about China and it's gone. WTH? Is APC not for info purposes??? The irony of internet control is overwhelming.
So, some pilots in Hong Kong just lost their housing. Pollution, communism, cuisine, political unrest AND INTERNET POLICING AND CONTROL, are reasons why so many aern't flocking to China. You couldn't pay me enough. A stinky NY crash pad with no heat in the middle of winter would beat China on a good day.
Then there is the military, airspace and flying with certain pilots in that country.
So, some pilots in Hong Kong just lost their housing. Pollution, communism, cuisine, political unrest AND INTERNET POLICING AND CONTROL, are reasons why so many aern't flocking to China. You couldn't pay me enough. A stinky NY crash pad with no heat in the middle of winter would beat China on a good day.
Then there is the military, airspace and flying with certain pilots in that country.
10-02-2017, 03:18 PM
#674
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Posts: 761
Originally Posted by Milksheikh
I don't see it this way. As of late, the AA w/o's are raking in pilots left and right. Just look at envoy's multiple recent newhire classes of 40+. Piedmont has arguably the best combo of money/flow to AA. Money is nice and to be rolled into payrates is even better. But the AA w/o's offer something endeavor can't. It looks like Delta wouldn't even entertain it based off what I saw on their recent negotiation: Guaranteed movement to mainline. Not some gimmicky ssp/etd/dgi where delta is forced to interview someone who otherwise wouldn't have gotten the call. This is the reason along with the bases offered why people are flocking to work at the AA w/o's. Even though the money is rolled into payrates, its still about even to what they can offer but the kicker is the lack of flow. Anyone who has multiple checkride busts, a dui, or someone too old to volunteer on their time off or people without a degree will be going to one of AA's regionals. Its a guaranteed way to move to mainline and a no brainer. If endeavor truly wants to be competitive, they will have to offer a flow of some sort.
But you do have a point about the quality of some of our pilots... you're a check airmen, you're a check airmen, you're a check airmen. Haven't busted a checkride?? Here's a fancy pin, congrats, you're now a check airmen!
Originally Posted by itsmytime
Agreed. A true, guaranteed flow has immense value. The w/o's could drop pay back to 2007 levels, and they would still have full classes.
10-02-2017, 05:06 PM
#675
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 325
Originally Posted by MantisToboggan
Couldn't be more wrong. If the WO pay isn't competitive, they won't get pilots. Period. Stop supporting the notion that we will put up with less compensation than we're worth under ANY circumstances.
I'm not at all supporting that notion. Everyone weighs what is currently offered by the regionals and makes their decision on where to go based on a lot of components, money being near the top of those. If money is about equal what are you looking for next? career progression? bases? My point is that with pay being about the same, the next item is typically career progression. If it were only about pay, Air wisconsin should be the clear leader in pilot recruitment and be having full classes. Are they? I honestly do not know.
10-02-2017, 05:59 PM
#677
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Originally Posted by 123494
It will be interesting to see how they sweeten the pot if endeavor's new pay affects our new hire classes. I still see our classes being full, but there could be some new incentives for everyone. Will wait and see
10-03-2017, 04:33 AM
#680
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 317
Originally Posted by Otterbox
Aren’t we still waiting to see the 2017 fleet plan?
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