Milksheikh

I don't see it this way. As of late, the AA w/o's are raking in pilots left and right. Just look at envoy's multiple recent newhire classes of 40+. Piedmont has arguably the best combo of money/flow to AA. Money is nice and to be rolled into payrates is even better. But the AA w/o's offer something endeavor can't. It looks like Delta wouldn't even entertain it based off what I saw on their recent negotiation: Guaranteed movement to mainline. Not some gimmicky ssp/etd/dgi where delta is forced to interview someone who otherwise wouldn't have gotten the call. This is the reason along with the bases offered why people are flocking to work at the AA w/o's. Even though the money is rolled into payrates, its still about even to what they can offer but the kicker is the lack of flow. Anyone who has multiple checkride busts, a dui, or someone too old to volunteer on their time off or people without a degree will be going to one of AA's regionals. Its a guaranteed way to move to mainline and a no brainer. If endeavor truly wants to be competitive, they will have to offer a flow of some sort.

itsmytime

Agreed. A true, guaranteed flow has immense value. The w/o's could drop pay back to 2007 levels, and they would still have full classes.

AZFlyer

But we barely had classes of 7 or 8 people prior to the 2016 pay raise AND flow.

Let's not give them any ideas.

Otterbox

False... in late 2015/ early 2016 the WOs had the flow but were left in the dust by pay raises at other regionals and had immense problems filling classe. At one point Piedmont was barely able to hold new hire classes of 2 according to the former chief pilot.

Once AA realized that the flow wasn’t even a top 3 consideration for most regional applicants they increase FO pay to 3rd year levels to start and offered signing bonuses to bring the WO pay and benefits package towards the front of the pack (they were never leading, just no longer severly lacking).

If the money stops flowing then Piedmont and the other WOs will start having problems filling classes once again.

123494

Flow plays a part, but the pay is definitely number one for most people looking at the regionals

chrisreedrules

What kind of crack are you smoking? Most new pilots like the flow but they aren't coming to the WOs for that reason alone. If Endeavor starts offering $60 /hour year 1 FO pay and $90 year 1 CA pay plus other contractual improvements, prospective new hires would be dumb not to consider them. Look at the retirements just in the next 5 years. Thousands of pilots will be needed just in that short time span. Flow is nice, but waiting 5-7 years for it isn't a necessity in the coming hiring environment.

Pedro4President

Lol. Envoy had guaranteed flow for 1.5 years before the pay bump. We hired at a slow trickle until the pay increase. Pilots follow the money. I only hope other airlines raises pay rates.

I don't think this will change anything at Envoy. I'm not sure how PSA is doing attracting NHs but I don't see it putting too much of a dent in PSA NH classes.

itsmytime

Maybe you guys are right, but the 60+ person classes they are running at Envoy tells me the flow is pretty important.

AZFlyer

Except for the fact that all 3 AA WO'd regionals were barely able to hire anyone prior to the pay raise and bonuses.

Theaveragejoker

The flow is important, it's the tiebreaker. Without the money though, the WO's weren't even in the game.