Care to explain your last LOA at PSA and how the pilot group felt about it being approved without it even going to a vote?

 

care to explain how that is the fault of the pilot group? also said dictator is finally leaving us. also remember that the company had the right to force upgrades regardless. the only thing that changed was the order. which i agree was bogus.

 

You’re reaping the benefits of what those people did. Your company brags on Instagram about taking delivery of 700’s. Those airplanes came because your senior members were willing to sellout their entire industry and you are culpable for joining them later on down the road. You guys are too worried about trading SAP for flow and your crappy outstation bases to really care about real issues and to improve the QOL with your fellow WO carriers.

 

Those airplanes are coming to PSA because that’s what AAG wants. They most likely would of come no matter how PSA voted. Having spoken with most of the lifers I flew with as an FO about their vote and their reasoning for it, most were a no vote and many think the 900s were coming to PSA regardless. It was always AAG’s plan for successfully enveloping 3 WO regionals.

And contract 2013 wasn’t all bad. It gave us the unrestricted SAP and pilots were crediting 125+ hours /month due to the reserve coverage and critical pay language. Company realized this and stopped it which ultimately culminated in an unfavorable decision from an arbitrator. But as it was written it offered unparalleled quality of life and pay at that time.

Literally half of the current pilot group probably has zero clues about any of the history between Envoy and PSA. Like literally zero clue. Most FOs who have asked me about it are completely ignorant to what happened. It isn’t a deciding factor when choosing a regional for most. People just want quality of life and flow and can’t be faulted for that.

And I’m not sure what the point of your last sentence was other than an obvious attempt to make some odd dig and troll further. Of course we’re worried about losing our SAP as much as any pilot group would be worried about any major part of their contract potentially changing. So I guess I just don’t see what you’re getting at with that one...

 

The dig was weird. I forgot we have control over what bizzaro bases the company opens. It's time to move on. I doubt our friend would turn down a job at UAL because there are still SCABS employed there.

If the expectation truly is that all the new hires going to brand x need to know the entire history of the company's labor relations and how that may or may not have had an impact on the industry as a whole then I would imagine we would have a pretty tough time hiring anyone at all. I didn't know didly about the regionals and i didn't care when i came, i went to what worked best for me like most people. When I leave here I won't care anymore. Just like I don't care about all the part 135 crap when i was in that industry, or the shipping industry when i was in college or any other thing I did.

The sooner y'all let it go and move on the sooner you might realize there is a ton of more important things in life.

 

Whenever someone goes online, or anywhere for that matter, asking which regional to pick, the very first thing they are told is to pick the place that has the base you want/need. For some time, if someone needed CLT, PSA was their only option. They don’t know a thing about what happened the better part of a decade ago, especially if they’re just getting started in 121. But yet, having never cast a single vote yet, they’re still at responsible for what happened maybe before they were even private pilots. I don’t see anybody on the line willing to cave to anything substandard if there is a vote on something that eventually comes around. I don’t see why the 3 WOs wouldn’t all share the same goals for major improvements for everybody at this point as we all seem to want to see that happen.


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By you choosing to go to PSA after that industry sucker punch vote you in return were supporting it. Especially when you had your choice of regionals since all were hiring.

Therefore you are part of the problem.

 

A lot of people coming from CFI and military backgrounds, for example, have no clue about contracts, TA, unions, etc. I’ve always thought that the union could put together a new hire presentation at each airline discussing the contract and the various issues that new guys may encounter. This would be a better use of dues instead of a steakhouse dinner every month.

 

So I shouldn’t go to United because of the pilots that crossed a picket line decades ago because I would be supporting that, or American for how poorly they treated the TWA folks during that merger? I’m sure if I knew more about Delta I could discount them as well.

 

You’re oversimplifying an issue that isn’t simple for anyone. Bases, commutability, time with family all play a part when people make their decisions on who to work for.

For me, the options were essentially an ATL base or CLT. That left PSA at the time I was hired. I do not regret my decision and I do not lose any sleep worrying about what other pilots think of my decision. I made the best decision for my family at the time and I’ll never regret that.