You are a DEC and that is not representative of most street FO’s experiences.

That’s not my class. At most there were only 2 DEC’s in that class. I was told the ENTIRE class is in sims now not just the DEC’s.

June 25 systems class has people starting sims this week.

And file it under the "believe it when you see it" category, but the July 9 systems class were told to expect a 1 week wait. That's awfully optimistic, even by PDT standards, but with the dramatic reduction in wait time for the most recent two classes, I guess it could be possible.

I got an email after only 3+ weeks stating I’d be starting OE “in August”, and to send military dates, etc if I had them...

That seems to be only for direct entry captains. The fo’s in systems this past month I talked to were told 4-8 weeks minimum

Not sure about FO’s but captain Even non direct entry seem to be waiting only a few weeks and decreasing.

The more the TA gets discussed the more ambiguity and holes are discovered. ALPA dues seem to be quite the waste at this point. Pilot market and they can’t even manage to get the language part correct.

I appreciate every second that the volunteers of the union have put into this. I realize it's a lot of work, and I realize that it might seem thankless. We don't get enough time off as it is, and you dedicated much of your time to trying to improve things for all of us. Thank you for that.

You were fighting a headwind in trying to negotiate with these people. It wasn't an easy task, and I doubt any of the dissenters could have done better themselves. Please don't think that the few vocal people attacking the NC represent all of us. They don't.

That being said:

WE NEED TO VOTE NO.

This TA is garbage. Add everything up, and it's not even clearly an improvement. The bullet points range from completely disadvantageous to the pilot group to very marginally beneficial. There are no big gains.

In whole, this new contract benefits the company more than it benefits us. In certain contexts, that would be fine, but considering that (1) it's a pilot's market right now, finally, and (2) the existing contract is wrought with bad deals and bad language, the new agreement should have given us a clear and large gain. Any concessions should have been just what the airline MUST HAVE to continue to operate in light of improved work rules.

We're reminded on a daily basis that the company will abuse every letter of a contract that they can. When you look at this new language through that lens, you'll see that this TA does far more to help the company than it does to help recover some semblance of QoL.

No f'in thank you.

Guys and girls, vote no on this. Focus your energy towards moving on to bigger and better things. Don't wait for the flow if it's not absolutely necessary. Tell your friends to avoid PDT until management decides they'd rather just run the airline well than perpetuate a complete sh*t-show, one that only survives because the pilot group is under-compensated and has failed to protect itself in previous negotiations.

There's no diamond in the rough of this new TA. Don't be fooled just because they threw some glitter on it.

I had about a 4 week wait between systems and sims. Although now I have at least a 5 day break before my next sim. Got to love how they’re slowing my career down!

Im sure your carrier of choice is biting their nails in eager anticipation of your application. I would be ****ed too.