It doesn't make our quality of life any better. Net loss = worse QOL. Pretty simple.

Voting no is keeping things how they are. 100%. I have no inkling of hope the company would come back in good faith. Good faith isn't in their vocabulary.

We need dramatic change at this place. Here's the Mantis plan for growing a spine (that part's for you, NewGuy) and forcing change:

1.) VOTE NO. Send a message that you are tired of this crap. Pennies will not suffice. We will not make a single concession because this is our market. They need us. They run this place about as inefficiently as possible. That is not our problem, and we will not have that burden placed on us (think any of our problems related to crew shortage and how it all stems from their inability to train pilots).

2.) Recall several people in the union. Start at the very top. Stop selling us on something that is beneath us. We get you were swimming upstream, and that this TA wasn't going to be spectacular. Thanks for your time and effort, but the TA isn't good enough. Stop selling it like it is. Repeat after me: "we tried as hard as we could to get as many wins for the pilot group as possible. We were against the odds, and the company wouldn't budge on much. Vote how you will". You aren't a salesman.

3.) Vote of No Confidence: Do any of you have any confidence in managements ability to run this place? Have you ever? I sure haven't. Again, this sends a message more than anything else. We're done with the status quo.

All of this is highly public, and gets a lot of attention. The way to make this place hurt is to stop filling classes. Imagine looking at Piedmont as a prospective pilot, and seeing that the pilots are ousting the weak in the union, voting down the crumbs the company is offering us, and telling management we have had enough, and don't believe they can run this place. Not only that, but it would turn heads at AA. Oh yeah, and our flow is probably north of 8 years now. Let's make that fact very well known.

It's at least a start.

The pay raise is so little. It's not going to make much of a difference in future negotiations. This TA is all about work rules.

The bigger problem is not that your two extensions might have been up to an hour longer. The big problem is that the extensions can be an hour long AND you will susceptible to being extended more often. There are simply more turns that fit in the five hour window than fit in the four hour window.

Your statement that "it doesn’t impact me in the least since I’ve only been extended maybe... 2 times?" is a very short-sighted way to approach this topic, because you can expect more AND longer extensions.

Consider also that this language lets them conserve the JM stamps for longer, full-day JMs, where those would have been used up on the turns that fall in that 4-5 hour window.

The extra hour of extensions is a significant step backwards.

Just so you know, your struggles are being seen on the outside.
2 years ago, PDT was my nr#1 Regional to go to. Now that I have my hours, I didn't even apply.

It saddens me to hear this, because I wish we were a more desirable place to be. I wish we, as the pilot group, were able to get more accomplished in negotiations and have this be the go-to regional.

However, that's not the case. The truth is that the pilots are frustrated, are paid less than our peers, and have some of the worst work rules in the industry; the flight attendants are on food stamps and don't get the respect they deserve; the training department is frustrated (and a total **** show still); and the administrative personnel are frustrated and leaving the company.

Sorry we haven't done better, but you are wise to to look elsewhere. Good luck wherever you go.

If you're a captain here you will rarely work your schedule. You will be extended a lot on go home day to fly an abe, mdt, flo turn.. or this winner, fly a plane to mdt and taxi back to phl.. you best believe that is going to be scheduled less than 5 hours.

Unfortunately we will be held hostage.

Except not really since classes and interviews are full...

....right.

Anyways, Voted with my feet! Peace out yall!

Don’t take too much notice, flysooner is just trying to justify to himself that he didn’t buy a polished turd rolled in glitter.

By the way all regionals are polished turds, except some also have pieces of corn in them too.

Curious... what concessions did Endeavor have in their new contract?

New York codomicile, 15 hour max duty for reserves