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payingdues 09-06-2018 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2669176)
Do you think that it’s driven by the newness of the fleet to PDT and the relative inexperience of management? I’ve ridden your jumpseat a a few times and most of the captains were annoyed with flaps 45 and the f/o’s didn’t know anything different. It’s kind of funny how two sister companies fly the airplane so differently, but I guess we’ll pick one way or the other when AAG merges us. 😜

FL22 gang here.

Newstick189 09-06-2018 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by payingdues (Post 2669226)
FL22 gang here.

It’s easy to say FL22 is the way to go, until you run a landing data request through ACARS with FL22 and RC5 and all of a sudden you need a 7800 foot piece of pavement to land on. Wind credit you say? Yeah, that never makes up the 3000 foot difference between FL45 and FL22. I believe this was by design.

Not only is it a cultural push to be a FL45 company at PDT, management is forcing our hand with the new RC code implementation.

Lvlng4Spd 09-06-2018 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2669232)
It’s easy to say FL22 is the way to go, until you run a landing data request through ACARS with FL22 and RC5 and all of a sudden you need a 7800 foot piece of pavement to land on. Wind credit you say? Yeah, that never makes up the 3000 foot difference between FL45 and FL22. I believe this was by design.

Not only is it a cultural push to be a FL45 company at PDT, management is forcing our hand with the new RC code implementation.

It is a culture of confusion. Conflicting information in the manuals, which the FAA and company all sign off on (supposedly). Meanwhile, other operators have different criteria...I have read 5 knots is the buffer at Envoy...what is it at TSA/Expressjet/Commutair/VIA Air? We are terrible at benchmarking anything around here. Is it Embraer or FAA that has an issue? I need more clarification than a vague FIL (with no supporting info) and an unofficial Facebook group posting.

Newstick189 09-06-2018 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 2669249)
It is a culture of confusion. Conflicting information in the manuals, which the FAA and company all sign off on (supposedly). Meanwhile, other operators have different criteria...I have read 5 knots is the buffer at Envoy...what is it at TSA/Expressjet/Commutair/VIA Air? We are terrible at benchmarking anything around here. Is it Embraer or FAA that has an issue? I need more clarification than a vague FIL (with no supporting info) and an unofficial Facebook group posting.

I agree 110% with you. That being said, the unoffical facebook group posting is a screen of the Chief Pilot responding to the emailed question regarding momentary deviations above 145KT. Knowing our company, that’s as official as it gets LOL.

Lvlng4Spd 09-06-2018 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2669251)
I agree 110% with you. That being said, the unoffical facebook group posting is a screen of the Chief Pilot responding to the emailed question regarding momentary deviations above 145KT. Knowing our company, that’s as official as it gets LOL.

LOL. You really can't make this stuff up. 😳

Otterbox 09-06-2018 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2669176)
Do you think that it’s driven by the newness of the fleet to PDT and the relative inexperience of management? I’ve ridden your jumpseat a a few times and most of the captains were annoyed with flaps 45 and the f/o’s didn’t know anything different. It’s kind of funny how two sister companies fly the airplane so differently, but I guess we’ll pick one way or the other when AAG merges us. ��

I think many of Piedmont’s current issues are typical when theres a new aircraft on property and folks are forced to re-invent flying it.

Merger... hah... sure long as SLI is straight DOH (and then by age on dates where the two groups have the same dates of hire) so I can hold 175 DFW and be one of them real jet pilots ;). Irving is very cosmopolitan...

flysooner9 09-06-2018 07:52 AM

Doh by seat haha. Would be a very interesting SLI merge considering both companies have a lot of DEC’s

MD-11Loader 09-06-2018 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2669306)
I think many of Piedmont’s current issues are typical when theres a new aircraft on property and folks are forced to re-invent flying it.

Merger... hah... sure long as SLI is straight DOH (and then by age on dates where the two groups have the same dates of hire) so I can hold 175 DFW and be one of them real jet pilots ;). Irving is very cosmopolitan...

Bahahaha the lifers will never let that happen.

123494 09-06-2018 08:06 PM

Piedmont would have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they just hit copy and paste from Envoy manuals. It’s not like we’re reinventing the wheel here flying a 20 year old RJ.

PDTFlyer 09-07-2018 02:58 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 2669857)
Piedmont would have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they just hit copy and paste from Envoy manuals. It’s not like we’re reinventing the wheel here flying a 20 year old RJ.

We did, revision 1 though. Needed the latest revision, didn’t get that from Envoy.


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