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flysooner9 09-05-2018 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2668693)
You guys think merger, but I think a long winded shutdown is more likely with some soft landings program at envoy.

There’s significant savings by keeping the majority of the seniority pools at both airlines under 6 years old, a merger might bring that number up a few years.

Coming to Piedmont is very risky in both the short term and long term, relatively speaking in comparison to PSA and ENY.

AAG all ready tried the Comair 2.0 thing at Envoy. It cost them dearly. They lost nearly 1,500 pilots because of it and I guarantee right now they wish they had all 1500 back.

The moment they even hint at an eventual shutdown they’d lose so many pilots they’d be forced to shut it down immediately or just merge in with Envoy.

Newstick189 09-05-2018 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2668704)
AAG all ready tried the Comair 2.0 thing at Envoy. It cost them dearly. They lost nearly 1,500 pilots because of it and I guarantee right now they wish they had all 1500 back.

The moment they even hint at an eventual shutdown they’d lose so many pilots they’d be forced to shut it down immediately or just merge in with Envoy.

They would just run the operation into the ground like wisconsin is, it’s going to be as the planes start to retire. If we don’t get 175s or CRJs sometime in the future that will tell it all.

Also, who is kidding themselves saying piedmont can’t run their business? They made it through summer flying without cancelling flights due to pilot shortages, by offering temporary overtime pay without increasing the labor cost long term. When we stop growing the airline will be staffed just fine and management will look smart for not having to move th whipsaw in the wrong direction for AAG.

Lvlng4Spd 09-05-2018 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2668689)
Flaps 45 speed is 145. Vapp is often very near that speed. Now I guess the company wants any over speed to be written up. I guess it used to be you could exceed the speed momentarily with no harm no foul.

You still can up to 155 momentarily, that is the true limitation. Just make sure you are taking steps to get it back to 145 or less in a timely fashion. This is more for the red-line Ralphs out there who overspeed every other leg. I'm always in a .76 or 235 knot state of mind. Anything more is an "unable." 😉

Newstick189 09-05-2018 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 2668726)
You still can up to 155 momentarily, that is the true limitation. Just make sure you are taking steps to get it back to 145 or less in a timely fashion. This is more for the red-line Ralphs out there who overspeed every other leg. I'm always in a .76 or 235 knot state of mind. Anything more is an "unable." 😉

They just released an FIL stating that going past 145kt constitutes exceeding a limitation, forget the 155kt momentary deviation. Right from the chief pilots words. See Facebook.

Lvlng4Spd 09-05-2018 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2668732)
They just released an FIL stating that going past 145kt constitutes exceeding a limitation, forget the 155kt momentary deviation. Right from the chief pilots words. See Facebook.

Don't do Facebook but that's fine. Order up some brakes boys, we will be doing a whole lot of Flap 22 landings again. I'll further protest with no reverse thrust lol.

havick206 09-05-2018 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot (Post 2668647)
A merger down the line only makes sense - especially when these 145s run out of useful life. I know they will keep them as long as possible, but they can't fly them forever. Heck, after all these forthcoming write-ups for doing 146kts with flaps 45 none of these planes will ever be out of mx.

Don’t you guys have a 10kt buffer in the limitations for gusty conditions for flaps 45?

Otterbox 09-05-2018 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 2668726)
You still can up to 155 momentarily, that is the true limitation. Just make sure you are taking steps to get it back to 145 or less in a timely fashion. This is more for the red-line Ralphs out there who overspeed every other leg. I'm always in a .76 or 235 knot state of mind. Anything more is an "unable." ��

According to one of the Chief Pilots, published allowances of 145KIAS momentary deviations upto 155KIAS count towards the new limitation exceedance write up requirements. Meaning anything over 145KIAS at flaps 45 is a write up regardless of duration.

Sounds like the expectation is that the aircraft will taxi to the gate and crew will notify the gate agent and dispatch of a mx delay after deplaning and then contact MX to write up the momentary deviation for disposition. Once the Mx process is complete then events can continue as scheduled with the delay.

Lvlng4Spd 09-05-2018 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2668746)
According to one of the Chief Pilots, published allowances of 145KIAS momentary deviations upto 155KIAS count towards the new limitation exceedance write up requirements. Meaning anything over 145KIAS at flaps 45 is a write up regardless of duration.

Sounds like the expectation is that the aircraft will taxi to the gate and crew will notify the gate agent and dispatch of a mx delay after deplaning and then contact MX to write up the momentary deviation for disposition. Once the Mx process is complete then events can continue as scheduled with the delay.

That is ridiculous! This shows the true problem with having Chief Pilots with no line experience in the aircraft. They don't know what they don't know.

123494 09-05-2018 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 2668751)
That is ridiculous! This shows the true problem with having Chief Pilots with no line experience in the aircraft. They don't know what they don't know.

I agree that our CPs should have line experience, but this decision may be coming from higher up. Could even be from the FAA who saw the deviations were happening too frequently.

Lvlng4Spd 09-05-2018 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 2668756)
I agree that our CPs should have line experience, but this decision may be coming from higher up. Could even be from the FAA who saw the deviations were happening too frequently.

For real, I get it. It doesn't make sense, so management and/or a government agency is involved. 😛


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