I am a Piedmont Pilot Recruiter
01-25-2020, 04:38 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
careful with filing your own flight plan...
If you screw something up.. that violation will be all yours . Our FOM and training do not contain any place for pilots to file a flight plan for 121 ops. In fact the FOM is clear about whose responsibility it is and those parties receive extensive training and have specific manuals on how to do it.
When a dispatcher says you have to file your own flight plan... "sure, I'm happy help, can you point me to the place in my manuals with instructions for how I am supposed to do it? I can't find it and it was never in our training."
Outside of what your trained to do and in the manuals, your taking unnecessary risks to your later career to help your current stepping stone. Dispatch can make the appropriate phone calls to file you manually, and if they misroute you, plan improperly, file you improperly, it is on them as it is their responsibility per the manuals and they are properly trained.
Think about tomorrow not your crap 4am in HTS.
This is why there will never be a FIL about pilots filling flight plans.. the lawyers would have a field day.
If you screw something up.. that violation will be all yours . Our FOM and training do not contain any place for pilots to file a flight plan for 121 ops. In fact the FOM is clear about whose responsibility it is and those parties receive extensive training and have specific manuals on how to do it.
When a dispatcher says you have to file your own flight plan... "sure, I'm happy help, can you point me to the place in my manuals with instructions for how I am supposed to do it? I can't find it and it was never in our training."
Outside of what your trained to do and in the manuals, your taking unnecessary risks to your later career to help your current stepping stone. Dispatch can make the appropriate phone calls to file you manually, and if they misroute you, plan improperly, file you improperly, it is on them as it is their responsibility per the manuals and they are properly trained.
Think about tomorrow not your crap 4am in HTS.
This is why there will never be a FIL about pilots filling flight plans.. the lawyers would have a field day.
01-25-2020, 08:56 AM
#92
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Posts: 96
Originally Posted by 60av8tor
^^^ +100 (filler)
01-25-2020, 02:57 PM
#93
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
careful with filing your own flight plan...
If you screw something up.. that violation will be all yours . Our FOM and training do not contain any place for pilots to file a flight plan for 121 ops. In fact the FOM is clear about whose responsibility it is and those parties receive extensive training and have specific manuals on how to do it.
When a dispatcher says you have to file your own flight plan... "sure, I'm happy help, can you point me to the place in my manuals with instructions for how I am supposed to do it? I can't find it and it was never in our training."
Outside of what your trained to do and in the manuals, your taking unnecessary risks to your later career to help your current stepping stone. Dispatch can make the appropriate phone calls to file you manually, and if they misroute you, plan improperly, file you improperly, it is on them as it is their responsibility per the manuals and they are properly trained.
Think about tomorrow not your crap 4am in HTS.
This is why there will never be a FIL about pilots filling flight plans.. the lawyers would have a field day.
If you screw something up.. that violation will be all yours . Our FOM and training do not contain any place for pilots to file a flight plan for 121 ops. In fact the FOM is clear about whose responsibility it is and those parties receive extensive training and have specific manuals on how to do it.
When a dispatcher says you have to file your own flight plan... "sure, I'm happy help, can you point me to the place in my manuals with instructions for how I am supposed to do it? I can't find it and it was never in our training."
Outside of what your trained to do and in the manuals, your taking unnecessary risks to your later career to help your current stepping stone. Dispatch can make the appropriate phone calls to file you manually, and if they misroute you, plan improperly, file you improperly, it is on them as it is their responsibility per the manuals and they are properly trained.
Think about tomorrow not your crap 4am in HTS.
This is why there will never be a FIL about pilots filling flight plans.. the lawyers would have a field day.
01-25-2020, 03:46 PM
#94
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Posts: 366
Originally Posted by sailingfun
The PIC is equally responsible for a legal flight plan with the dispatcher. If he files something incorrect it does not relieve the PIC from FAA action for accepting a illegal flight plan.
01-25-2020, 05:37 PM
#95
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Posts: 21
Originally Posted by sailingfun
The PIC is equally responsible for a legal flight plan with the dispatcher. If he files something incorrect it does not relieve the PIC from FAA action for accepting a illegal flight plan.
so check it. Don’t file your own. Or maybe we should add filing your own flight plans to CQ for the captains since you guys seem to want to argue it
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01-25-2020, 11:37 PM
#98
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Originally Posted by MantisToboggan
I agree no one should be doing the dispatchers job.
But can someone explain what an illegal flight plan is? You can have a plan that requires different fuel, could go through bad weather, sure. But it's not illegal?
But can someone explain what an illegal flight plan is? You can have a plan that requires different fuel, could go through bad weather, sure. But it's not illegal?
01-26-2020, 05:23 AM
#99
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
Equipment code... RVSM... ICAO conformity. Alternates, take off alternates.. fuel planning..
End of the day, dispatchers have a certificate for doing what they do. Many dispatchers in other companies are part of a union, and doing their job when the higher ups tell you kind of makes you the weirdest kind of scab in the world. Obviously that would have to be at a company that's, well, I'll just leave it at "not Piedmont".
01-26-2020, 05:36 AM
#100
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They can file even when their systems are down. Their phones still work. Haven’t ran into this yet, but if I do I’ll probably just say “call me when it’s working and we can go.”
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