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Old 09-05-2018, 05:30 PM
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I see this all the time - bottom line - see an AME with military / VA experience - there are not many around - I am ONE AME who has this type of background -

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Old 09-05-2018, 05:38 PM
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To tag on, PDRit, I’ve been a SQ/DO and Group Commander and never refused an employer’s request for verification of duty. I’ve taken calls from employers and issued LOR for one dude who thought he could use his unit as a way out of working. I was the DO when another officer thought using sick leave from his airline was OK to be on man-days. When caught, he was fired from the airline and discharged sans retirement from the military. There were aggravating circumstances, but that’s the gist of it.

No, honor is required and expected, as are flight skills. I’ve also participated in three Flying Evaluation Boards for flying deficiencies. Off came the wings for two of them.



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Old 09-05-2018, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PDRit View Post
However, if you are pulling a fast one then you should face the 5 years in prison also.
IMHO:
Prison just screws the taxpayers out of $60,000 a year per inmate. The way to go is fines and community service to the order of 2000 hours a year for five years.

Prisons are big business and should be reserved for hardcore incorrigible inmates. Other offenders should literally pay for their crimes and not simply do time at the taxpayers expense. It's stealing twice!
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Old 09-05-2018, 10:35 PM
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Four indictments out of how many tens of thousands of vets with FAA certs?



Try improving yourself to build self-esteem, instead of trying to bring others down to your level. Get lost.
4 indictments so far....

I’ve flown with plenty of pilots over the years that have bragged about their abusing MIL LV. Sometimes “thumper” or “fig leaf “ can’t contain their themselves and feel the need to share how they are manipulating the system. They get defensive and cite USERRA as their shield when I’ve expressed how they are screwing their fellow pilots and their company.

As for your last comment, go ahead Col Jessup, we want you on that wall, we need you on that wall. 😂🤣
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Old 09-06-2018, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PDRit View Post
As long as you have reported to the FAA med your condition I don’t have a problem. However, if you are pulling a fast one then you should face the 5 years in prison also.

Maybe they will crack the case of the pilots using MIL leave for non MIL Leave duties?

All that Honor and Discipline that other mere mortals can’t fathom....
Luckily having it properly documented was never in question in my case since I was on two military waivers for my last few years of flying; so the military, VA, and CAMI were on the same sheet of paper from the beginning.
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Old 09-06-2018, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PDRit View Post
I’ve flown with plenty of pilots over the years that have bragged about their abusing MIL LV. Sometimes “thumper” or “fig leaf “ can’t contain their themselves and feel the need to share how they are manipulating the system. They get defensive and cite USERRA as their shield when I’ve expressed how they are screwing their fellow pilots and their company.
There are plenty of legal ways to "screw" the company and/or your fellow pilots. I don't do it, I don't like it, and I tell my folks not to do it if for no other reason than it makes us reservists look bad and impacts employment opportunities for those who come behind us.

But it's perfectly legal to schedule your mil any way you want if it's consistent with military requirements. Ie if they're willing to pay you, it's legal. Neither of us have to like it.

My command has several key active duty leaders, all of whom like to take leave out of town over the holidays. Each year they ask me if I want to go on orders for a couple weeks during holiday routine... all I have to do is come in every couple days (legal holiday liberty rules), check email, and be available in my hometown via phone if the command center needs something. Beats the heck out of flying a junior line, but I always say no. Doesn't feel right. Maybe I'm stupid. But again, legal. Same for guys who take orders for their first 1-2 years at the airline. I counsel folks not to do it, and will generally not approve such orders if there are other alternatives. But again, all legal, legal, legal. Nothing to crack down on, unless you want to get "invited" down to the federal building for a deposition on your business practices relative to USERRA.

What should be "cracked down on" is people taking mil leave while not performing mil duty. This is actually very easy to catch, 100% of the time, but many airlines seem to be too busy harassing and obstructing legit mil duty that they don't have time to perform the simple verification which they are permitted to do in all cases.




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As for your last comment, go ahead Col Jessup, we want you on that wall, we need you on that wall. 😂🤣
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Originally Posted by PDRit View Post
I’ve flown with plenty of pilots over the years that have bragged about their abusing MIL LV. Sometimes “thumper” or “fig leaf “ can’t contain their themselves and feel the need to share how they are manipulating the system.
They bragged, eh? Maybe “thumper” and “fig leaf” were telling the truth, or maybe you revealed where your goat was tied and they decided to get it.
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I'd be interested to know how many people receive VA benefits and have 1st class medicals. Seems like it's a bay area witch hunt for those nasty Trump loving veterans in what I would assume as the predominantly liberal northern California.

I would guess that MOST people with any class medical have omitted some sort of information on the path toward getting a medical, intentional or not. It all comes down to self preservation. I am not suggesting that someone lie about something that will affect safety, not at all, but I think most people have omitted SOMETHING. Any omission is technically the exact same as the four bay area guys that are being charged.
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Old 09-06-2018, 04:14 PM
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I'd be interested to know how many people receive VA benefits and have 1st class medicals. Seems like it's a bay area witch hunt for those nasty Trump loving veterans in what I would assume as the predominantly liberal northern California.

I would guess that MOST people with any class medical have omitted some sort of information on the path toward getting a medical, intentional or not. It all comes down to self preservation. I am not suggesting that someone lie about something that will affect safety, not at all, but I think most people have omitted SOMETHING. Any omission is technically the exact same as the four bay area guys that are being charged.
I have never heard of the FAA coming looking for minor omissions. I have heard of folks getting in trouble if inconsistencies come to light due to circumstances, but I think that depends on the seriousness. If you forgot to report your annual dental exam one year, I really doubt that would ever be an issue. It's probably a good idea to get any omissions resolved. You have to make your own decision as to how serious an omission might be, and what are the odds that it will ever come to light. There's some small risk of getting in trouble if you try to correct the record after the fact, but it's small I think. I'd go through a lawyer with experience in this area.

The only prosecutions I've heard of involved obviously disqualifying medical conditions, some of which came to light due to in-flight incapacitation.

The only times I'm aware of where the FAA conducted witch hunts, ie went looking for inconsistencies, it involved , again, serious disqualifying conditions. So far I'm aware of the VA thing, plus one a few years ago involving social security disability.

The DOJ will not attempt to prosecute anything which the jury will not see as an obvious big problem (even if the FAA wanted to). They have more important things to do. But the FAA can revoke your certs unilaterally, and there's little due process on that.
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In the case of Cooper vs the FAA, which was the result of Operation Safe Pilot (when the FAA cross referenced social security disability records with the pilot database), the defendant did not report HIV on his medical and he was slapped with two years of probation and a $10,000 fine, plus loss of his certificates for a time period (later reinstated). I am not sure what the other penalties were for more egregious omissions.
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