Urgent medical exam question
10-08-2011, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bumbulbi
Thank you.
However, look at this picture:
http://www.brw.net/blog/wp-content/u...way-lights.jpg
the Red lights, I can obviously tell they are red. But the Runway end lights (the ones that are horizontal) look *blueish-whitish* to me.
However, look at this picture:
http://www.brw.net/blog/wp-content/u...way-lights.jpg
the Red lights, I can obviously tell they are red. But the Runway end lights (the ones that are horizontal) look *blueish-whitish* to me.
Funny you should pick this picture out. I made a copy of it recently when I was doing a check on the system for Rwy 10 at New Orleans.
I KNOW the approach lights and the runway edge lights (running the length of the runway vertically) are WHITE, but as I said before, don't they look like they have a *greenish-yellowish* halo around them?
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and also, if I take the FALANT again and I pass, do I ever have to take a color vision test again (for each medical renewal)?
I heard from my AME that if I pass the light gun test, i will get a SODA and will NEVER have to take color vision again (so long as the FAA doesn't change their policies)
I heard from my AME that if I pass the light gun test, i will get a SODA and will NEVER have to take color vision again (so long as the FAA doesn't change their policies)
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
He did the right thing. If he's going pro, he will need the first to get any airline job, as well as almost any decent corporate job.
But there's no difference in color vision standards between first and second class anyway. I don't think they will let a private pilot fly around at night with deficient color vision.
But there's no difference in color vision standards between first and second class anyway. I don't think they will let a private pilot fly around at night with deficient color vision.
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10-08-2011, 06:30 AM
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USMCFLYR:
Ok, from that picture, which lights are the green threshold lights (49 lights),
The lights closest to me look yellow greenish but there are way more than 49 lights so I'm supposing those are white (according to the site, there are like 140+ white lights, and those are the only set with that many lights)
aren't the runway lights running down the length of the runway, white?? (otherwise, a pilot who told me so is wrong, and my eyes are FAIL. Because white lights at night will emit a sort of "yellowish" tinge, no?)
Also, I really just want to get color vision done with... but I want it for my first class. However, I haven't even started my first flying lesson yet, so how am I supposed to pass that MFT? (The flight test portion of the color vision test)
Ok, from that picture, which lights are the green threshold lights (49 lights),
The lights closest to me look yellow greenish but there are way more than 49 lights so I'm supposing those are white (according to the site, there are like 140+ white lights, and those are the only set with that many lights)
aren't the runway lights running down the length of the runway, white?? (otherwise, a pilot who told me so is wrong, and my eyes are FAIL. Because white lights at night will emit a sort of "yellowish" tinge, no?)
Also, I really just want to get color vision done with... but I want it for my first class. However, I haven't even started my first flying lesson yet, so how am I supposed to pass that MFT? (The flight test portion of the color vision test)
10-08-2011, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bumbulbi
Ok, from that picture, which lights are the green threshold lights (49 lights),
The THRESHOLD LIGHTS are the green THRESHOLD LIGHTS.
The threshold lights are the lights marking the threshold (the beginning) of the runway. I know - it is confusing having so many different types and names for simple lights isn't it?
The lights closest to me look yellow greenish but there are way more than 49 lights so I'm supposing those are white
Now there are lights in the VGSI that are allowed to be amber, red, green, or white; and runway edge lighting and centerline lighting can have combinations of different colors too.
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10-08-2011, 08:42 AM
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Get out your trusty gubbermint-authorized FAA Aeronautical Information Manual for all the fascinating details on this and many more fascinating subjects. Sorry, had to throw that out as a working CFI. Most students either have no idea what the AIM is for to begin with, or if they do they stubbornly refuse to open the thing up and find out what they are asking me.
Sorry, had to throw that out as a working CFI. Most students either have no idea what the AIM is for to begin with, or if they do they stubbornly refuse to open the thing up and find out what they are asking me.
10-08-2011, 12:00 PM
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Thanks, I'll be sure to check the FAA Aeronautical Information Manual out!
USMCFLYR: Is it just me, or does the picture make the lights look bluish-white? Some friends say it's green, and some say blue-ish white, and some say white, and some say blue O_O...
Maybe if I go to an airport and see for myself, it will look different from the picture?
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The WHITE lights look a LITTLE yellow-green, no?
USMCFLYR: Is it just me, or does the picture make the lights look bluish-white? Some friends say it's green, and some say blue-ish white, and some say white, and some say blue O_O...
Maybe if I go to an airport and see for myself, it will look different from the picture?
...and one LAST thing (I promise
)The WHITE lights look a LITTLE yellow-green, no?
10-08-2011, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bumbulbi
Maybe if I go to an airport and see for myself, it will look different from the picture?
Film has a color temperature which can distort the actual color of the object being photographed. Also, the picture you referenced seems to have been taken through a starburst filter (especially noticeable on the white lights). This can also degrade the actual color of the lights.
You'll get a much better idea of the colors if you see them first-hand.
10-09-2011, 04:49 AM
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Thank you all! I'm really nervous about what will happen, but I feel more confident already.
What I've noticed thus far (applies to me):
1. White lights are WHITE during the day, but during the evening and nighttime, they look slightly yellowish (unique aspect to sodium vapor lights, like house lightbulbs)
2. The Green lights are very light green, almost to a bluish white color. (not sure if this is for the day also. (I'm mainly worried about getting green and white mixed up during the day...)
3. Blue is blue, very obvious to me
4. Red is red, again, very obvious to me.
Can someone help to demystify GREEN and WHITE lights during the DAYTIME?
For me, like I said, green during the daytime in sunny conditions looks really pale and white with a slight tinge of green, but it's not obvious, and that is the main reason I failed the FALANT. Green/White confusion...
What I've noticed thus far (applies to me):
1. White lights are WHITE during the day, but during the evening and nighttime, they look slightly yellowish (unique aspect to sodium vapor lights, like house lightbulbs)
2. The Green lights are very light green, almost to a bluish white color. (not sure if this is for the day also. (I'm mainly worried about getting green and white mixed up during the day...)
3. Blue is blue, very obvious to me
4. Red is red, again, very obvious to me.
Can someone help to demystify GREEN and WHITE lights during the DAYTIME?
For me, like I said, green during the daytime in sunny conditions looks really pale and white with a slight tinge of green, but it's not obvious, and that is the main reason I failed the FALANT. Green/White confusion...
10-09-2011, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bumbulbi
Thank you all! I'm really nervous about what will happen, but I feel more confident already.
What I've noticed thus far (applies to me):
1. White lights are WHITE during the day, but during the evening and nighttime, they look slightly yellowish (unique aspect to sodium vapor lights, like house lightbulbs)
2. The Green lights are very light green, almost to a bluish white color. (not sure if this is for the day also. (I'm mainly worried about getting green and white mixed up during the day...)
3. Blue is blue, very obvious to me
4. Red is red, again, very obvious to me.
Can someone help to demystify GREEN and WHITE lights during the DAYTIME?
For me, like I said, green during the daytime in sunny conditions looks really pale and white with a slight tinge of green, but it's not obvious, and that is the main reason I failed the FALANT. Green/White confusion...
What I've noticed thus far (applies to me):
1. White lights are WHITE during the day, but during the evening and nighttime, they look slightly yellowish (unique aspect to sodium vapor lights, like house lightbulbs)
2. The Green lights are very light green, almost to a bluish white color. (not sure if this is for the day also. (I'm mainly worried about getting green and white mixed up during the day...)
3. Blue is blue, very obvious to me
4. Red is red, again, very obvious to me.
Can someone help to demystify GREEN and WHITE lights during the DAYTIME?
For me, like I said, green during the daytime in sunny conditions looks really pale and white with a slight tinge of green, but it's not obvious, and that is the main reason I failed the FALANT. Green/White confusion...
It there is a hint of any other color in the light you are seeing on the FALANT then it is that color. In your case if you are seeing pale green, then it is green.
Btw - you read on the FAA's website that FALANT isn't an approved color vision test right?
Unacceptable Tests. Any test not specifically listed above are unacceptable methods of testing for FAA medical certificate. Examples of unacceptable tests include, but are not limited to, the OPTEC 5000 Vision Tester (color vision portion), “Farnsworth Lantern Flashlight,” and “yarn tests.”
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