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penaltybox 09-05-2018 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Aero757 (Post 2668303)
I was in IPT's but had no partner and no partner was ever given to me so I had to resign, since I did not want to fail, just wanted to be put in another class. What are my chances of getting back in?

Im confused. Why on earth would you resign because of this?

Flyboyxc91 09-05-2018 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Aero757 (Post 2668303)
I was in IPT's but had no partner and no partner was ever given to me so I had to resign, since I did not want to fail, just wanted to be put in another class. What are my chances of getting back in?

I’m curious in general as to why you think you had to resign? I myself had to get another partner and a seat support a couple days due to getting sick in the simulator portion of my training and was out on unpaid leave two weeks before I was well enough to return. My buddy in IPTs at the time (not my partner) went through what you describe after his initial partner resigned third IPT session in the middle of the lesson just basically threw his hands up “YOU HAVE THE CONTOLS” and apparently sat there while he did the approach by himself and then left I guess. So he had a seat support for his IPTs and I believe a part time training department and line pilot was literally in the left seat the rest of the time for him so he didn’t mind at all.

So you didn’t have to resign, they would give you a seat support. If you’re the type of guy that needs a lot of team association with study habits and doing the callouts I can say it definitely does help but I didn’t only do this with my partner (s) that I had, I also did it with others in my class or watched others as part of my process.

I think you can come back in 6 months or maybe sooner if you go ahead and talk to some of the HR people it’s possible they will let you come back in three months but I don’t know. Good Luck.

irrelevant 09-05-2018 02:47 PM

Come back? Geez if someone gets frustrated and quits over something as dumb as this, do we really need them carrying the responsibility of flying our customers around?

Aero757 09-05-2018 04:39 PM

The Manager would not give me any extra help it was move on with out any extra time and fail or resign? Of course I did not want to fail I have been and A student with 90's and 100's all threw training. I just did not have the same advantage as others being able to study with a partner from the beginning when the partner left even before ground school was over I asked about getting another partner or being put in the next class and that was not offered to me.

captande 09-05-2018 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Aero757 (Post 2669029)
The Manager would not give me any extra help it was move on with out any extra time and fail or resign? Of course I did not want to fail I have been and A student with 90's and 100's all threw training. I just did not have the same advantage as others being able to study with a partner from the beginning when the partner left even before ground school was over I asked about getting another partner or being put in the next class and that was not offered to me.

You would’ve gotten seat support for the IPTs at least. As for studying that would have been on you to find some of your classmates and study with them. We still had 3-4 groups of IPT pairs studying together once systems was over. As for extra time I don’t know what you mean. With as backed up as we are they can’t accommodate giving people extra weeks to prepare.

IcelandicHammer 09-05-2018 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 2668961)
Come back? Geez if someone gets frustrated and quits over something as dumb as this, do we really need them carrying the responsibility of flying our customers around?

There are other reasons he shouldn't be flying our customers around. If it's who I think it is, it was a very good thing that he left. Trust me.

irrelevant 09-06-2018 05:18 AM

I’m sensing this. It’s a simple thing to produce grades on classroom tests, but one must have the mental fortitude required to perform well in the dynamic environment we operate in. Quitting when times get a little challenging isn’t a good indicator that the skills required to perform our roles on a tough day have been developed yet.

I hope this person is able to develop the ability to perform in less than ideal conditions, but until then, it seems very much they’re chasing the wrong profession. There simply is no quitting after a curveball is thrown one’s way, because you have passengers, co-workers, and investors who are dependent upon you to perform.

Urban achiever 09-06-2018 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 2668961)
Come back? Geez if someone gets frustrated and quits over something as dumb as this, do we really need them carrying the responsibility of flying our customers around?


And then being forced into a captain position eventually? Hell no.

trvsmrtn 09-06-2018 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Aero757 (Post 2669029)
The Manager would not give me any extra help it was move on with out any extra time and fail or resign? Of course I did not want to fail I have been and A student with 90's and 100's all threw training. I just did not have the same advantage as others being able to study with a partner from the beginning when the partner left even before ground school was over I asked about getting another partner or being put in the next class and that was not offered to me.

We had someone in our class have this exact thing happen to them. I thought maybe you were him, but I guess not. Yea, it sucks not having someone to practice flows and calls with, but from what I heard from guys that tried to help this guy out, he didn't know any of the flows and calls. Even if you're forced to study on your own, you should still know the flows. By IPT 6, he still didn't know them, and the training guys suggested that he resign and reapply in 6 months. He also asked about rolling back one class, but they said no. I'm only speculating here, but it seems like maybe they felt that you weren't putting forth enough effort to overcome the disadvantage.

Aero757 09-08-2018 09:53 AM

Anyone can say that effort and study were not done to just get rid of the problem but that wasn't the problem, lack of care in management is where the problem is. Most people I know who are captains in the Majors said not having a partner is a set up to fail, why would they say make sure you have a partner for success. All instructors all said why don't you have a partner. If it wasn't important why would they even ask that question. They need to have a better plan earlier on about how to deal with this situation and make it known to the whole class as well and the manager to address this situation immediately. Working in any job is to be a team effort and not want to see anyone fail due to lack of effort on a manager that was notified many times and did nothing to help but take the easy way out.

People who had partners can easily say this but if it were to happen to them it might not have been a good outcome as well.

It is a proven statistic that working with a partner from the beginning will be more successful than not and everyone in this industry knows that, they just do not want to admit its true and they can't be wrong.


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