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Swakid8 09-08-2018 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2670823)
You mean like that clown who made that YouTube video about, “the horrors” of regional FO life and how he was going back to instructing?


Yes, he gripes about it on Facebook as well


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chrisreedrules 09-08-2018 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 2670824)
Yes, he gripes about it on Facebook as well


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What’s hilarious is that guy has no clue how good he had it compared to those who's footsteps he walked in.

FlyyGuyy 09-08-2018 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2670831)
What’s hilarious is that guy has no clue how good he had it compared to those who's footsteps he walked in.

24 an hour commuting two legs to res in Dayton. I remember. **** was terrible back then. Y'all are making at least 20k more then what we were. And that wasn't that long ago. I'm happy for you. But you don't have it bad anymore. Sure it could always be better, but damn.

chrisreedrules 09-09-2018 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 2670846)
24 an hour commuting two legs to res in Dayton. I remember. **** was terrible back then. Y'all are making at least 20k more then what we were. And that wasn't that long ago. I'm happy for you. But you don't have it bad anymore. Sure it could always be better, but damn.

Oh I remember. And it’s more than $20,000 more. Try double that. I had to literally save money in order to afford the first year pay cut at a regional. And then commute to reserve to fly mostly 200s all summer long and every single turn was a plane swap and no gate. I get the senior-manning is a raw deal, but not that long ago people were FOs for 6-7+ years before they had the opportunity to upgrade.

Cujo665 09-09-2018 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2670914)
Oh I remember. And it’s more than $20,000 more. Try double that. I had to literally save money in order to afford the first year pay cut at a regional. And then commute to reserve to fly mostly 200s all summer long and every single turn was a plane swap and no gate. I get the senior-manning is a raw deal, but not that long ago people were FOs for 6-7+ years before they had the opportunity to upgrade.


11-12 year upgrades were the norm at the old Eagle.

irrelevant 09-09-2018 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2670823)
You mean like that clown who made that YouTube video about, “the horrors” of regional FO life and how he was going back to instructing?

Perhaps, but I'd assign a higher value to someone who made the effort to become fully qualified, and gave it a try before deciding it wasn't for them, than someone who at the first minor challenge threw their hands in the air and said "your airplane".

Slick111 09-09-2018 06:12 AM

10 Additional Pilots
 
By comparing the seniority lists from the August and September bid periods, we had a net gain of only 10 pilots.

So I conclude that either:
a) new hire classes are drying up, (because word is out that there are much better places for new hires to go), or
b) new hires are failing training at a significantly increased rate, or
c) guys are moving on at an increased rate, (which I haven't noticed).

Swakid8 09-09-2018 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 2670953)
By comparing the seniority lists from the August and September bid periods, we had a net gain of only 10 pilots.



So I conclude that either:

a) new hire classes are drying up, (because word is out that there are much better places for new hires to go), or

b) new hires are failing training at a significantly increased rate, or

c) guys are moving on at an increased rate, (which I haven't noticed).



Classes were shrunk by design designed. I know September we saw some FO attrition in the greater than 1 year range.


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FlyyGuyy 09-09-2018 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 2670951)
Perhaps, but I'd assign a higher value to someone who made the effort to become fully qualified, and gave it a try before deciding it wasn't for them, than someone who at the first minor challenge threw their hands in the air and said "your airplane".

Funny you say this we have a fo here who has done that twice to me at low altitude on approach... Still here though... Yikes.

captande 09-09-2018 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Nyflier (Post 2670767)
As a senior captain, check airman, and APD, I can tell you that they will have someone be seat support for training. It’s up to you to study with classmates outside of the sim and IPT’s. I feel like there’s more to this story. What do you think happens when there’s an odd number of people in class? Or when your partner fails? The training department does what they can. You have to put in the effort. Not having a partner is fairly common.

We had a guy in class who’s partner left after systems for a new job, he had a variety of different seat supports. Other IPT instructors, guys going back to the line, new hires moving into to training department. He did just fine because he took the time to prepare. One guy that didn’t have a partner from the beginning and he passed as well. Personally my sim partner started to struggle once we hit sims and I had to go into this guys checkride with seat support, and I made it out alive ;)


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