Psa got the pay raise.
04-11-2019 | 04:24 AM
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As far as PBS... If it comes with ALPA control, 4.5 min day, rigs, and maybe something fancy like no more Hot Reserve... and 1% /month flow... I think it would get voted in.
04-11-2019 | 05:18 AM
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I believe our MEC Chair said they’re working on an LOA to make the holiday pay a permanent thing...
As far as PBS... If it comes with ALPA control, 4.5 min day, rigs, and maybe something fancy like no more Hot Reserve... and 1% /month flow... I think it would get voted in.
As far as PBS... If it comes with ALPA control, 4.5 min day, rigs, and maybe something fancy like no more Hot Reserve... and 1% /month flow... I think it would get voted in.
04-11-2019 | 10:26 AM
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I don’t care how good it is, a regional is a regional. Everyone’s goal should be to get out and not get stuck when the music stops... Because it will stop again one day.
With the holiday pay I don’t think they have any issues covering flying on the holidays. And PBS would be much more efficient and allow many who currently SAP to not have to because they’ll get most of what they want on their initial award. I don’t think they have to worry about making any changes to the SAP in order for this to be a good deal for us and them. I think the SAP will become a less important tool to achieve the QOL you desire if this all works like they say it is supposed to.
04-11-2019 | 04:44 PM
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And if they did? A regional with SAP is still a regional. Don’t get me wrong, SAP is the main reason I came to PSA. But a few years at a regional puts things in perspective...
I don’t care how good it is, a regional is a regional. Everyone’s goal should be to get out and not get stuck when the music stops... Because it will stop again one day.
With the holiday pay I don’t think they have any issues covering flying on the holidays. And PBS would be much more efficient and allow many who currently SAP to not have to because they’ll get most of what they want on their initial award. I don’t think they have to worry about making any changes to the SAP in order for this to be a good deal for us and them. I think the SAP will become a less important tool to achieve the QOL you desire if this all works like they say it is supposed to.
I don’t care how good it is, a regional is a regional. Everyone’s goal should be to get out and not get stuck when the music stops... Because it will stop again one day.
With the holiday pay I don’t think they have any issues covering flying on the holidays. And PBS would be much more efficient and allow many who currently SAP to not have to because they’ll get most of what they want on their initial award. I don’t think they have to worry about making any changes to the SAP in order for this to be a good deal for us and them. I think the SAP will become a less important tool to achieve the QOL you desire if this all works like they say it is supposed to.
Also, as has been pointed out by others more intelligent than myself, if the company really wants to avoid a large part of their opentime problem...quit blocking the SAP for anything carrying over into the dequal month. Just remove the flying later for the very few who actually do dequal (ie, those who actually don't pass recurrent or don't turn in their medical, etc.). The company runs into scheduling issues in the blend not because of actual problems, but because of one they have created by this inane SAP policy. Then they blame the SAP. But it's not the SAP...It's their own needless restriction on the SAP that creates the issue of larger amounts of opentime remaining from one month into the next.
04-11-2019 | 05:57 PM
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You do not need to agree to any restrictions to the SAP in order to get PBS. There is no reason to. The ball is in our court. If the company wants to get PBS, let them give us something...significant. But there is absolutely no reason to agree to any SAP restrictions. The SAP happens after line bidding. The SAP can still happen after PBS bidding.
Also, as has been pointed out by others more intelligent than myself, if the company really wants to avoid a large part of their opentime problem...quit blocking the SAP for anything carrying over into the dequal month. Just remove the flying later for the very few who actually do dequal (ie, those who actually don't pass recurrent or don't turn in their medical, etc.). The company runs into scheduling issues in the blend not because of actual problems, but because of one they have created by this inane SAP policy. Then they blame the SAP. But it's not the SAP...It's their own needless restriction on the SAP that creates the issue of larger amounts of opentime remaining from one month into the next.
Also, as has been pointed out by others more intelligent than myself, if the company really wants to avoid a large part of their opentime problem...quit blocking the SAP for anything carrying over into the dequal month. Just remove the flying later for the very few who actually do dequal (ie, those who actually don't pass recurrent or don't turn in their medical, etc.). The company runs into scheduling issues in the blend not because of actual problems, but because of one they have created by this inane SAP policy. Then they blame the SAP. But it's not the SAP...It's their own needless restriction on the SAP that creates the issue of larger amounts of opentime remaining from one month into the next.
A PBS system will render SAP useless because there won’t be anything left in the opentime pot. So unless there is a negotiated amount that must be in the open time pot OR there is a straight drop function. Without those SAP won’t be effective. If you want an idea of what I’m talking about ask anyone in PHL how great SAP is with the open time flying that is available.
04-12-2019 | 09:26 AM
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And PBS would be much more efficient and allow many who currently SAP to not have to because they’ll get most of what they want on their initial award. I don’t think they have to worry about making any changes to the SAP in order for this to be a good deal for us and them. I think the SAP will become a less important tool to achieve the QOL you desire if this all works like they say it is supposed to.
Contrast that to line bidding & SAP, where the most junior round one lineholder doesn’t have to work any weekends or holidays if they choose to.
I personally am in a position where I’d benefit the most from PBS, but I post this to help others who haven’t used it understand that PBS alone will have a significant impact on their schedule, based on where they sit in relative seniority. I’d estimate 90% of the First Officers I fly with have no idea what their relative seniority is, and at least 2/3 of them can’t tell me what their overall seniority number was as of the last monthly seniority list update.
That level of ignorance is troubling, when combined with the union pushing for PBS. I understand PSA ALPA claims SAP will remain unaffected, but I’ve seen so many poorly implemented changes over the last five years, that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have concern about what they are negotiating in secret.
04-12-2019 | 10:42 AM
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I’ve used PBS elsewhere. The top 10% in seat and domicile will benefit the most from PBS (that’s where I am currently with PSA). 11%-20% will get “most” of what they want, but not all. 21%-35% will get maybe half-2/3 of what they want. By 40%, most weekends off will be gone. 50%-65% will get the scraps, and the last 35% will still be on reserve. PBS will also create scheduling efficiencies for the company that will require fewer Captains, and fewer First Officers.
Contrast that to line bidding & SAP, where the most junior round one lineholder doesn’t have to work any weekends or holidays if they choose to.
I personally am in a position where I’d benefit the most from PBS, but I post this to help others who haven’t used it understand that PBS alone will have a significant impact on their schedule, based on where they sit in relative seniority. I’d estimate 90% of the First Officers I fly with have no idea what their relative seniority is, and at least 2/3 of them can’t tell me what their overall seniority number was as of the last monthly seniority list update.
That level of ignorance is troubling, when combined with the union pushing for PBS. I understand PSA ALPA claims SAP will remain unaffected, but I’ve seen so many poorly implemented changes over the last five years, that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have concern about what they are negotiating in secret.
Contrast that to line bidding & SAP, where the most junior round one lineholder doesn’t have to work any weekends or holidays if they choose to.
I personally am in a position where I’d benefit the most from PBS, but I post this to help others who haven’t used it understand that PBS alone will have a significant impact on their schedule, based on where they sit in relative seniority. I’d estimate 90% of the First Officers I fly with have no idea what their relative seniority is, and at least 2/3 of them can’t tell me what their overall seniority number was as of the last monthly seniority list update.
That level of ignorance is troubling, when combined with the union pushing for PBS. I understand PSA ALPA claims SAP will remain unaffected, but I’ve seen so many poorly implemented changes over the last five years, that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have concern about what they are negotiating in secret.
04-12-2019 | 10:58 AM
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I’ve used PBS elsewhere. The top 10% in seat and domicile will benefit the most from PBS (that’s where I am currently with PSA). 11%-20% will get “most” of what they want, but not all. 21%-35% will get maybe half-2/3 of what they want. By 40%, most weekends off will be gone. 50%-65% will get the scraps, and the last 35% will still be on reserve. PBS will also create scheduling efficiencies for the company that will require fewer Captains, and fewer First Officers.
Contrast that to line bidding & SAP, where the most junior round one lineholder doesn’t have to work any weekends or holidays if they choose to.
I personally am in a position where I’d benefit the most from PBS, but I post this to help others who haven’t used it understand that PBS alone will have a significant impact on their schedule, based on where they sit in relative seniority. I’d estimate 90% of the First Officers I fly with have no idea what their relative seniority is, and at least 2/3 of them can’t tell me what their overall seniority number was as of the last monthly seniority list update.
That level of ignorance is troubling, when combined with the union pushing for PBS. I understand PSA ALPA claims SAP will remain unaffected, but I’ve seen so many poorly implemented changes over the last five years, that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have concern about what they are negotiating in secret.
Contrast that to line bidding & SAP, where the most junior round one lineholder doesn’t have to work any weekends or holidays if they choose to.
I personally am in a position where I’d benefit the most from PBS, but I post this to help others who haven’t used it understand that PBS alone will have a significant impact on their schedule, based on where they sit in relative seniority. I’d estimate 90% of the First Officers I fly with have no idea what their relative seniority is, and at least 2/3 of them can’t tell me what their overall seniority number was as of the last monthly seniority list update.
That level of ignorance is troubling, when combined with the union pushing for PBS. I understand PSA ALPA claims SAP will remain unaffected, but I’ve seen so many poorly implemented changes over the last five years, that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have concern about what they are negotiating in secret.
04-12-2019 | 02:21 PM
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I’ve used PBS elsewhere. The top 10% in seat and domicile will benefit the most from PBS (that’s where I am currently with PSA). 11%-20% will get “most” of what they want, but not all. 21%-35% will get maybe half-2/3 of what they want. By 40%, most weekends off will be gone. 50%-65% will get the scraps, and the last 35% will still be on reserve. PBS will also create scheduling efficiencies for the company that will require fewer Captains, and fewer First Officers.
Contrast that to line bidding & SAP, where the most junior round one lineholder doesn’t have to work any weekends or holidays if they choose to.
I personally am in a position where I’d benefit the most from PBS, but I post this to help others who haven’t used it understand that PBS alone will have a significant impact on their schedule, based on where they sit in relative seniority. I’d estimate 90% of the First Officers I fly with have no idea what their relative seniority is, and at least 2/3 of them can’t tell me what their overall seniority number was as of the last monthly seniority list update.
That level of ignorance is troubling, when combined with the union pushing for PBS. I understand PSA ALPA claims SAP will remain unaffected, but I’ve seen so many poorly implemented changes over the last five years, that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have concern about what they are negotiating in secret.
Contrast that to line bidding & SAP, where the most junior round one lineholder doesn’t have to work any weekends or holidays if they choose to.
I personally am in a position where I’d benefit the most from PBS, but I post this to help others who haven’t used it understand that PBS alone will have a significant impact on their schedule, based on where they sit in relative seniority. I’d estimate 90% of the First Officers I fly with have no idea what their relative seniority is, and at least 2/3 of them can’t tell me what their overall seniority number was as of the last monthly seniority list update.
That level of ignorance is troubling, when combined with the union pushing for PBS. I understand PSA ALPA claims SAP will remain unaffected, but I’ve seen so many poorly implemented changes over the last five years, that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have concern about what they are negotiating in secret.
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