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yes that is exactly the point. They have more control than the pilotsOriginally Posted by chrisreedrules
trip and duty rigs and a good min day are viewed by management as potential “punishment” for things they have no real control over..
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More control?Originally Posted by ZeroTT
yes that is exactly the point. They have more control than the pilots
Psa is assigned flights. They build the pairings, they build the lines, they manage delays. Management has real ability to impact all of those things, pilots have essentially zero. So yeah when a pairing has a 3 hr sit in CLT that extends to 5 with maintenance... the pilots should get 2.5 hrs for that.
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That being said I personally think a 4.25 min day with no carve outs would solve a lot of problems.
And they also really want SAP gone. I'm A OK with keeping SAP, and letting PBS die on the vine. If they want to trash SAP then they best be prepared to pay for it. Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
PSA management doesn’t control the flying it gets to do… Therefore trip and duty rigs and a good min day are viewed by management as potential “punishment” for things they have no real control over.That being said I personally think a 4.25 min day with no carve outs would solve a lot of problems.
Before some ALPA kool-aid drinker jumps on me yes I'm sure we'll keep something called "SAP" after agreeing to PBS, but it'll be a hollow reminder of the qol we once had and nothing more.
We either get a major min day and rig win with the PBS vote, or PSA will be known as the pilot group who traded the best quality of life item in the regionals (arguably the industry as a whole) for nothing but hopeful words from the union, and bs from the company.
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Right... I wonder if our negotiating committee and MEC have thought of that? Better send them an email...Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Psa is assigned flights. They build the pairings, they build the lines, they manage delays. Management has real ability to impact all of those things, pilots have essentially zero. So yeah when a pairing has a 3 hr sit in CLT that extends to 5 with maintenance... the pilots should get 2.5 hrs for that.
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oh hush. You said rigs weren’t fair to mgmt and I called BS. There’s lots of ways to skin this cat but the company doesn’t get to keep allOriginally Posted by chrisreedrules
Right... I wonder if our negotiating committee and MEC have thought of that? Better send them an email...
the bennies from PBS
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Did you listen to the all call? Lots of good information in there, I’d suggest giving it a listen.Originally Posted by ZeroTT
oh hush. You said rigs weren’t fair to mgmt and I called BS. There’s lots of ways to skin this cat but the company doesn’t get to keep allthe bennies from PBS
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I was on the call and I’d agree that some very good info came out. Like the fact that industry standard is for the pilot group to get a percentage of the savings from the switch. Originally Posted by captande
Did you listen to the all call? Lots of good information in there, I’d suggest giving it a listen.
However, one thing did stick out to me that bothered me and I know it bothers me because I have absolutely no trust in management to “do the right thing”. The timeline we were given said that we would do shadow bidding for a few months. Then we’d go full on to PBS for a few months. THEN we would have the pilot vote. My concern is that at that point even if we vote NO that at that point management will say that the line bidding isn’t available anymore and the crap sandwich we were handed is here to stay.
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However, one thing did stick out to me that bothered me and I know it bothers me because I have absolutely no trust in management to “do the right thing”. The timeline we were given said that we would do shadow bidding for a few months. Then we’d go full on to PBS for a few months. THEN we would have the pilot vote. My concern is that at that point even if we vote NO that at that point management will say that the line bidding isn’t available anymore and the crap sandwich we were handed is here to stay.
That was addressed too. PBS would touch so many parts of the contract that it would be nearly impossible for it to just be given to us. With Rd1, sap, Rd 2, seniority based, fcfs, percentage of required opentime needed to be available. The ALPA lawyer on the call even said PBS isn’t a “similar” bidding software thats outlined in the contract.Originally Posted by Apejackson
I was on the call and I’d agree that some very good info came out. Like the fact that industry standard is for the pilot group to get a percentage of the savings from the switch.However, one thing did stick out to me that bothered me and I know it bothers me because I have absolutely no trust in management to “do the right thing”. The timeline we were given said that we would do shadow bidding for a few months. Then we’d go full on to PBS for a few months. THEN we would have the pilot vote. My concern is that at that point even if we vote NO that at that point management will say that the line bidding isn’t available anymore and the crap sandwich we were handed is here to stay.
edit: I get where you’re coming from and I agree. Trust has been broken, and they shouldn’t be trusted.
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Originally Posted by captande
get where you’re coming from and I agree. Trust has been broken, and they shouldn’t be trusted.
fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... well you ain’t go’n fool me again...
