FlannelDaddy

We do need more crews because of SAP, but I don't buy that we need 50% more crews because of it.

JayBee

meh, SAP is a Red Herring/Strawman.

There are a ton of airlines out there where you can literally drop all the way to 0 if you want to.

The companies hard on for getting rid of our best recruiting tool is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

But hey the world is full of people that believed it when Joe said "C'mon man, that's a lie" when Trump said Joe will ban fracking and here we are...

BurnerAccount69

So if its 15 crew per airplane, doesn't that come out to roughly where we need to be given the amount of people on the seniority list right now? I'm showing 1800+ on the list right now, unless I'm missing something, which by all means clarify it, better to have accurate-ish info out there. According to the info in the town hall they wanted to have us able to fly the whole fleet by summer, so given the amount of training required, I'm guessing the people returning or being hired will be finished by the time summer rolls around or close to it.

BurnerAccount69

ya know...the thing!

terks43

Mesa has SAP. 9.7 pilots per plane.

ZeroTT

Recruiting is not going to be a challenge for quite some time. That isn’t a reason to keep SAP

Stratapilot

Mesa has the kinda of SAP that makes PSA management green with envy. They’re absolutely incomparable.

chrisreedrules

No one has said anyone is “too stupid to understand what’s happening”. But I seem to see a whole lot of “hopium” being espoused on the line. IATA just revised its forecasted recovery for 2020 to 13% above 2020 levels rather than the 50% it prognosticated prior. Things are literally going from bad to worse as there are now more travel restrictions than there were in 2020. We’ll see some kind of recovery domestically by summer 2022 is my guess. Internationally who knows... 2024? 25? Countries will be in various stages of fighting the virus for a few years and there won’t be much uniformity in the government response to it.

When the government money runs out (and it will) then look out. Shake ups coming.

BurnerAccount69

Yea, hence why ignored the comment. 2021 is on track to suck as badly 2020. Were F'ed if the summer doesn't pick up. Just my opinion, but seems reasonable.

edit: "were" includes the entire airline industry

LAXtoDEN

Naturally I’m fairly bullish, which I think most pilots have that type of attitude, it’s in our DNA. You have one life, we should at least attempt to make the best of it, hence why we all shied away from the desk jobs.

That being said, I’m not feeling great about this quick recovery into the summer with the vaccine rollout anymore. It seems like everyone outside of aviation has adjusted, and as a country we’re just taking our sweet time on cruise control, well the airlines don’t have time.

I think we’re going to see bankruptcy’s and shakeups. It is what it is.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/02/13/cohan-massachusetts-coronavirus-vaccination-rollout-is-slow-and-confusing-and-we-deserve-better/

☝️ This type of BS is being washed out by the mainstream media, complaints are going “unnoticed”, which is just classic. With Trump, love or hate him, he was ALWAYS being called out for lack of progress if it existed. Right now under Biden, his failure to get this rollout moving faster is not being published by the media as aggressively, and that’s a sin because every single day matters, literally.