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11-18-2020, 01:48 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by SFDRVR1220
The system, yes. The pairings, not really.
The ones that are broken up by training, vacation, or sick calls are just a small part of the overall package. They are logically 1, 2, and 3 days, very rarely 4 if they have a turn taken out in the beginning or end of the trip. Most of the trash I see are <15 hour 4-days that come as is and end up getting assigned to reservists because no one wants waste their time. Those aren't broken pairings, they're just made that way.
The ones that are broken up by training, vacation, or sick calls are just a small part of the overall package. They are logically 1, 2, and 3 days, very rarely 4 if they have a turn taken out in the beginning or end of the trip. Most of the trash I see are <15 hour 4-days that come as is and end up getting assigned to reservists because no one wants waste their time. Those aren't broken pairings, they're just made that way.
11-18-2020, 01:52 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
An advantage of PBS would hopefully be less time on reserve. With reserve being as terrible as it is here, that would be a huge QOL improvement for them. Yeah, once you get a line it's not as great as SAP right now, but you'd have a line as a more junior pilot. Think of how amazing an improvement it is once you get senior enough for a simple, junk build up line under the current system.
That being said, SAP is incredibly valuable and shouldn't be gotten rid of easily. We should be able to have a window to vote SAP back in after 12 months of PBS if the company is abusing it. That way they're motivated to make it worthwhile to everyone and it would establish past practice so they can't bait and switch.
That being said, SAP is incredibly valuable and shouldn't be gotten rid of easily. We should be able to have a window to vote SAP back in after 12 months of PBS if the company is abusing it. That way they're motivated to make it worthwhile to everyone and it would establish past practice so they can't bait and switch.
11-18-2020, 03:20 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by pangolin
You live in fantasy land if you think Pbs will shorten time on reserve. It’s going to increase time on reserve. Demand a LOT in return for PBS and do not let the company have wide latitude in settings for PBS runs.
I'm not cheering for PBS, that's just one potential outcome. This place keeps surprising me at how bad they F up the simplist of things to avoid improving QOL. I've often been able to understand management's side of arguments, but there are so many no-cost improvements that they simply refuse to do I just don't know what they're thinking anymore. It seems as if they're goal is to drive pilots away by creating difficulty. I have zero faith that the company and the union now when it comes to making any improvements to QOL when it comes to PBS. I don't expect anything at this place to actually get better.
11-18-2020, 03:53 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
It's important to distinguish exactly what there would be more and less of with PBS. There is a potential for some fewer lines and buildup lines would likely go away. There would likely be less broken up garbage in open time requiring fewer reserves. All is this means we would need few pilots per aircraft. This means a person on reserve would effectively see lines move a little further away. But the advantage is that we likely wouldn't need nearly 45% of the pilots to be on reserve. It should drop down closer to 10%, similar to every other airline, regional or no. It takes a lot less time to move up 10% on the list than it does 45%.
I'm not cheering for PBS, that's just one potential outcome. This place keeps surprising me at how bad they F up the simplist of things to avoid improving QOL. I've often been able to understand management's side of arguments, but there are so many no-cost improvements that they simply refuse to do I just don't know what they're thinking anymore. It seems as if they're goal is to drive pilots away by creating difficulty. I have zero faith that the company and the union now when it comes to making any improvements to QOL when it comes to PBS. I don't expect anything at this place to actually get better.
I'm not cheering for PBS, that's just one potential outcome. This place keeps surprising me at how bad they F up the simplist of things to avoid improving QOL. I've often been able to understand management's side of arguments, but there are so many no-cost improvements that they simply refuse to do I just don't know what they're thinking anymore. It seems as if they're goal is to drive pilots away by creating difficulty. I have zero faith that the company and the union now when it comes to making any improvements to QOL when it comes to PBS. I don't expect anything at this place to actually get better.
I'm just hoping the rumors of the LCC's ramping up hiring are true. I was tolerating the bs because I could sap in base, but now I'm commuting to reserve so any reason to stay is gone.
11-18-2020, 04:04 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
It's almost bizarre right? I've had a similar feeling that their decisions over the last couple years seem specifically targeted to get pilots to want to leave. With some things feeling downright spiteful.
I'm just hoping the rumors of the LCC's ramping up hiring are true. I was tolerating the bs because I could sap in base, but now I'm commuting to reserve so any reason to stay is gone.
I'm just hoping the rumors of the LCC's ramping up hiring are true. I was tolerating the bs because I could sap in base, but now I'm commuting to reserve so any reason to stay is gone.
11-18-2020, 04:20 AM
#46
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Why would the company throw away their best bargaining leverage? That’s what no-cost QOL changes are. They can roll those into PBS or a holiday LOA.
PBS is an entirely new “home” for scheduling purposes. It’s like moving from a single family house to an apartment. Apartments can be section 8 or have a doorman. PBS with rigs and grid guarantees could be really nice. It’s the details that matter.
PBS is an entirely new “home” for scheduling purposes. It’s like moving from a single family house to an apartment. Apartments can be section 8 or have a doorman. PBS with rigs and grid guarantees could be really nice. It’s the details that matter.
11-18-2020, 05:30 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Why would the company throw away their best bargaining leverage? That’s what no-cost QOL changes are. They can roll those into PBS or a holiday LOA.
PBS is an entirely new “home” for scheduling purposes. It’s like moving from a single family house to an apartment. Apartments can be section 8 or have a doorman. PBS with rigs and grid guarantees could be really nice. It’s the details that matter.
PBS is an entirely new “home” for scheduling purposes. It’s like moving from a single family house to an apartment. Apartments can be section 8 or have a doorman. PBS with rigs and grid guarantees could be really nice. It’s the details that matter.
11-18-2020, 09:29 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Recalling 30 pilots to cover recent attrition.
It also said to keep sim instructors in the sims, so maybe more recalls in a couple months?
11-18-2020, 09:59 AM
#50
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If ya'll don't think this PBS implementation will be a Grand Fu¢€ening that would make Frank Lorenzo proud, then you haven't paid zero attention to the outcome of the reserve grid lawsuit, the last 3 LoA, how every part of our contract is interpreted or even how the company is refusing to comply with Federal Law! and make military pilots whole on their retirement benefits... I only hope that the 30 number from attrition continues to grow exponentially, get out as fast possible this is a sinking ship.
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