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11-20-2020, 06:55 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
First, trip touching usually means that a trip in its entirety is dropped when it conflicts with a pre-awarded event like vacation, training, carry in, etc. Most definitely not what we have, although I have advocated for it, only for that idea to get shot down.
Second, you do realize that the vice chair doesn't get a vote, right? You do realize that prior MECs were more than willing to give the previous Chair the ability to negotiate solo with the company, then pass LOAs without any other input from anyone else, right? You do realize that's exactly how we got senior man, LOA 12, and LOA 14, right?
I'd suggest becoming a little more educated about what actually went on behind the scenes, or better yet contacting me directly if you have any questions. The entire pilot group has my number by now, and besides that it's also in your company iPad.
Second, you do realize that the vice chair doesn't get a vote, right? You do realize that prior MECs were more than willing to give the previous Chair the ability to negotiate solo with the company, then pass LOAs without any other input from anyone else, right? You do realize that's exactly how we got senior man, LOA 12, and LOA 14, right?
I'd suggest becoming a little more educated about what actually went on behind the scenes, or better yet contacting me directly if you have any questions. The entire pilot group has my number by now, and besides that it's also in your company iPad.
And I just did contact you - on here, though not directly, to ask you - thanks for presumptuously assuming the worst though? Maybe seek some clarification(educate yourself) before you assume things, would go a long way to legitimizing your candidacy.
11-20-2020, 07:03 AM
#72
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Originally Posted by JayBee
We're not talking about the same thing. Trip touching as I was referring to it is in regards to one day touching a critical day and the whole trip being paid critical pay.
As to your current point, the company has set the bar for PBS at pilot ratification. If pilots decide that trip touching, as it relates to premium pay, is a non-negotiable item, I'd suggest contacting the PBS working group and letting them know. That said, that's a pretty important thing for all of us, and I don't think anyone on property is willing to give that up.
11-20-2020, 07:05 AM
#73
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
I always find it hilarious when Union volunteers get offended and talk down to line pilots for not knowing what the hell is going on with the Union.
If the Union doesn't see the need to keep us informed, then don't expect us to be informed.
Plus with the MEC giving authority to the chair to operate solo I hold each and every one of them personally responsible for the actions of their chosen representative.
If the Union doesn't see the need to keep us informed, then don't expect us to be informed.
Plus with the MEC giving authority to the chair to operate solo I hold each and every one of them personally responsible for the actions of their chosen representative.
While I appreciate all the number crunching he does and he does it well, his bedside manner is severely lacking.
11-20-2020, 07:09 AM
#74
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
In the context you brought up the idea (breaking up pairings during a line 1 award), trip touching is exactly what I said it was..
I'm afraid your need to be right overrules your ability to see other's points of view.
11-20-2020, 04:02 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by JayBee
Negative. See post #30.
I'm afraid your need to be right overrules your ability to see other's points of view.
I'm afraid your need to be right overrules your ability to see other's points of view.
You and I are in full agreement to the other "trip touching," which was why that company proposed Holiday Pay agreement went down in a ball of flames, and which is likely not to go away in any hypothetical PBS agreement, because the pilots would never vote for it.
Originally Posted by JayBee
That has been my consistent concern with this particular candidate based on previous conversations. Particularly when I was asking a contract question and looking to file a grievance - he very displeasingly took up the company mantle which should be opposite of what a Union rep should do... while that may have been the ultimate conclusion of filing that grievance, I want a candidate that is going to fight for MY viewpoint NOT the company's viewpoint.
While I appreciate all the number crunching he does and he does it well, his bedside manner is severely lacking.
You and I are in agreement more than you know.
11-20-2020, 04:22 PM
#76
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
It is, who pays for the 900s how do you calculate the interest on the assets other than per departure.
PSA does DAB-DFW in a brand new 900, Mesa does it in a 20 year old 900. PSA's departure cost are higher because the accounting reflects the cost of capital being tied up new in a new asset. Who else should AA assign that cost to?
PSA does DAB-DFW in a brand new 900, Mesa does it in a 20 year old 900. PSA's departure cost are higher because the accounting reflects the cost of capital being tied up new in a new asset. Who else should AA assign that cost to?
11-21-2020, 12:45 AM
#78
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
See post #38, in the context you brought it up was about pre-awards causing trips to be split, which adds a duty period to whatever flying was in the trip, which adds to our reserve requirements, etc, etc, etc.
You and I are in full agreement to the other "trip touching," which was why that company proposed Holiday Pay agreement went down in a ball of flames, and which is likely not to go away in any hypothetical PBS agreement, because the pilots would never vote for it.
So.... even if you're wrong, you want to be told you're right? Look, I've not been directly involved in grievance work, and I don't know who you are or what the specifics were, but on a broader level sometimes one just has to manage everyone's expectations. For example, if you come to me demanding a 6 hour min day in negotiations, while I'll fully agree with you that's a phenominal idea, I'll also have to point out that that's over an hour more than any of our peers have and not likely to get anywhere with the company. Likewise, if one (not necessarily you) tries to suggest an illegal job action on social media, it's also my job to point out how counterproductive that will be under current labor law.
Thanks for that, but having had the unfortunate experience of dealing with many doctors, tell me the truth all day long....... I'll take House any day if it means I get to walk out of the hospital alive.
You and I are in agreement more than you know.
You and I are in full agreement to the other "trip touching," which was why that company proposed Holiday Pay agreement went down in a ball of flames, and which is likely not to go away in any hypothetical PBS agreement, because the pilots would never vote for it.
So.... even if you're wrong, you want to be told you're right? Look, I've not been directly involved in grievance work, and I don't know who you are or what the specifics were, but on a broader level sometimes one just has to manage everyone's expectations. For example, if you come to me demanding a 6 hour min day in negotiations, while I'll fully agree with you that's a phenominal idea, I'll also have to point out that that's over an hour more than any of our peers have and not likely to get anywhere with the company. Likewise, if one (not necessarily you) tries to suggest an illegal job action on social media, it's also my job to point out how counterproductive that will be under current labor law.
Thanks for that, but having had the unfortunate experience of dealing with many doctors, tell me the truth all day long....... I'll take House any day if it means I get to walk out of the hospital alive.
You and I are in agreement more than you know.
If you lose your medical and are being paid to only do ALPA work, but you're too indifferent, incompetent, or flat out lazy to type up a weekly email about where we're at (even if nothing of consequence happened) when the pilot group has been asking for communication ad nauseum... then the proper thing to do is resign, or be removed.
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