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11-22-2020, 04:33 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Ill also like to add that I do believe management furloughed too many and showed their hand too early.
republic is CLT has always been there and it is more likely up due to their DCA flying being down. AA has to give them flying due to their contract.
republic is CLT has always been there and it is more likely up due to their DCA flying being down. AA has to give them flying due to their contract.
I’ve also wondered how much of the E Con can support a 170/175. Given that it has a wider wingspan than the CRJ, and the wing is set much further forward on the fuselage I don’t think the geometry is favorable. Might have similar issues on the F Con in PHL as well. My guess is that the new terminal in DCA may not have the same issues.
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11-22-2020, 04:38 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
I’ve also wondered how much of the E Con can support a 170/175.
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11-22-2020, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
Exactly, if they really wanted to pull the shut down card right away then why the hell are they bothering to negotiate at all? Not to mention why they're waiting so long to pass along the threat/demand. The whole point of the threat is to rush through an agreement that benefits them, dragging their feet on it doesn't make sense.
Also in the calculus is that with cases at an all time high demand is steady and increasing for Thanksgiving instead of plummeting like earlier in the year, that combined with the Pfizer vaccine hopefully getting FDA approval on December tenth with Moderna close behind finally gives us a light at the end of the tunnel.
Also in the calculus is that with cases at an all time high demand is steady and increasing for Thanksgiving instead of plummeting like earlier in the year, that combined with the Pfizer vaccine hopefully getting FDA approval on December tenth with Moderna close behind finally gives us a light at the end of the tunnel.
11-22-2020, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Most of the WOs operate autonomously in most regards. Including negotiations. Hence why we got SAP to begin with. The conversation will change at some point.
I'm pretty neutral on the whole SAP issue these days though. I'm commuting to short call and just about bottom of the captain list so a round one line is just a dream.
11-22-2020, 08:47 AM
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You can threaten shutdown a hundred times if you’re willing to do it.
They aren’t playing hardball yet because you might as well demand nicely to start and AA still isn’t bankrupt.
When AA does hit chapter 11 (the vaccine progress makes chapter 7 unlikely in my estimation) they will
1) be smaller and very likely want to shed a regional
2) will have a court ordered whipsaw available
That’s when the gloves come off. Until the industry recovers there is tons of spare capacity - gates, planes, pilots and it will be very easy to shed a WO
They aren’t playing hardball yet because you might as well demand nicely to start and AA still isn’t bankrupt.
When AA does hit chapter 11 (the vaccine progress makes chapter 7 unlikely in my estimation) they will
1) be smaller and very likely want to shed a regional
2) will have a court ordered whipsaw available
That’s when the gloves come off. Until the industry recovers there is tons of spare capacity - gates, planes, pilots and it will be very easy to shed a WO
11-22-2020, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
What I'm getting at is that I'd wager based on how they're proceeding that they'll try a little bit of the carrot first before it becomes all stick. If the doors were really ready to slam shut we wouldn't be recalling at all, they'd just let us keep bleeding out.
I'm pretty neutral on the whole SAP issue these days though. I'm commuting to short call and just about bottom of the captain list so a round one line is just a dream.
I'm pretty neutral on the whole SAP issue these days though. I'm commuting to short call and just about bottom of the captain list so a round one line is just a dream.
This is the main reason I would like to see CJ take a leadership role in the coming months. He has very intimate knowledge of PBS (which like it or not is what we are heading towards) and he has a lot of experience in a vast number of areas with the organization and the company. The other guy doesn’t and in this environment we can’t afford to have someone learn as they go. We need someone who knows wtf is going on right out of the gate.
11-22-2020, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
There are no carrots to offer lol. Time is on their side and unfortunately the process we are barreling towards doesn’t necessarily favor labor. I’ve benefitted from SAP for years but I also recognize that there are better systems out there that are more efficient for all parties involved.
This is the main reason I would like to see CJ take a leadership role in the coming months. He has very intimate knowledge of PBS (which like it or not is what we are heading towards) and he has a lot of experience in a vast number of areas with the organization and the company. The other guy doesn’t and in this environment we can’t afford to have someone learn as they go. We need someone who knows wtf is going on right out of the gate.
This is the main reason I would like to see CJ take a leadership role in the coming months. He has very intimate knowledge of PBS (which like it or not is what we are heading towards) and he has a lot of experience in a vast number of areas with the organization and the company. The other guy doesn’t and in this environment we can’t afford to have someone learn as they go. We need someone who knows wtf is going on right out of the gate.
I'd argue that in this environment we can't afford someone like CJ who stood by while Travis Ricks was given unilateral authority by the MEC. Yes as the vice chair CJ didn't have a vote, but he said himself on the Facebook page that he didn't even bother to try to stand up to Rick's and the MEC because he didn't see any point.
CJ does good work with the spreadsheets and data, but I don't want a Captain rep who would ever think that there's no point in fighting for the pilot group. He probably wouldn't have won, but at least he could say he tried.
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