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saltbae 01-06-2022 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3347675)
not knowable

when the post-covid hiring environment has been going 18 months you’ll have an idea.

it will be better than it looks now. Time to X is a poor metric right after a year long hiring pause

Everyone says this and it’s BS. It’s easy to get a ballpark of around a year and CLT is much longer. Stop being a recruiter and saying oooo in 6 months you could hold a line… it’s not fair to new hires to over promise. Give them the reality.

ZeroTT 01-06-2022 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by saltbae (Post 3347731)
Everyone says this and it’s BS. It’s easy to get a ballpark of around a year and CLT is much longer. Stop being a recruiter and saying oooo in 6 months you could hold a line… it’s not fair to new hires to over promise. Give them the reality.

lol not recruiter

“around a year”. Sure. I would band that at 8-16 months

The people saying to want firm numbers, which are unknowable right now.

The reason they are not knowable is that people are leaving PSA as fast as they possibly can and the biggest driver of advancement is attrition. (That pessimistic enough for you?)

DrSmacFum 01-06-2022 11:29 AM

Is there any reason why PSA has a "flow" to fedex & united? or is that overstated and those 2 are scalping from every regional?

Also, what makes PSA training harder than other regionals. I've read that quite a few times recently

ZeroTT 01-06-2022 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by DrSmacFum (Post 3347793)
Is there any reason why PSA has a "flow" to fedex & united? or is that overstated and those 2 are scalping from every regional?

United does seem to have some affinity for AA WO pilots. I can't see why fedex would favor any passenger carrier over another. The United/Fedex "flow" is notable for the extent to which PSA pilot are going there rather than American. Not so much that UA/FDX are drawing heavily from PSA

TallFlyer 01-06-2022 01:23 PM

I've also heard rumors that office personnel that were involved with WO hiring pre-COVID are now involved in hiring at UAL.

Take that for whatever it's worth.

saltbae 01-07-2022 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3347756)
lol not recruiter

“around a year”. Sure. I would band that at 8-16 months

The people saying to want firm numbers, which are unknowable right now.

The reason they are not knowable is that people are leaving PSA as fast as they possibly can and the biggest driver of advancement is attrition. (That pessimistic enough for you?)

more realistic, yeah. Good job.

DoNoHarm 01-07-2022 01:54 PM

Just saw the attrition numbers for PSA from December. Impressive!

PSA won't be able to keep that up much longer before things start to get bad.

ZeroTT 01-07-2022 01:56 PM

What were they? Also figure January numbers will likely be 50% higher

AkPilot99 01-07-2022 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3348518)
What were they? Also figure January numbers will likely be 50% higher

looks to be like we lost 45 but gained 71.

DoNoHarm 01-07-2022 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by AkPilot99 (Post 3348521)
looks to be like we lost 45 but gained 71.

Not exactly true. Looks like 58 gone, including the flows. Some of those new hires have already left class, so the 71 number isnt correct. Also, several that left were put on PER leave (not flows), and not sure why. Some pilots that left over a month ago are still on the list as well.

The worse part is that PSA traded lots of captains for new hire FOs, and lost a lot of Check Airmen as well.


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