PSA CRJ 200 Skids off Runway at CRW
#31
I don't know about the CRJ200. I can tell you that I would never have aborted (above a 100 kts) for an anti-skid failure in my aircraft - even on the 13,000' runway that I came from last. In my post I certainly did not advocate aborting for any reason, especially at a high speed, quite the contrary. I was saying that in my experience (and aircraft) there were actually very FEW reasons to conduct a high speed abort. It would most likely lead to damage of the aircraft (and depending on what you were carrying on the aircraft) a simple abort, leading to hot brakes, leading to a brake fire, leading to a burnt up FLIR could eventually end in a Class A mishap
I will be interested in learning more about this mishap in the future and I'll *speculate* that there will be lessons learned - good or bad.
USMCFLYR
I will be interested in learning more about this mishap in the future and I'll *speculate* that there will be lessons learned - good or bad.
USMCFLYR
The two airlines I have worked at perform a high-speed (> 80kts) abort only for engine fire/failure/severe damage, reverser unlocked, fire indication, or loss of control.
#32
Stop with the mantra already. Speculation goes both ways. If you are going to pick on Airway's post, then question the ones already posting praise without having any idea WHY/OR HOW they aborted.
PinnacleFO has it right for now. Hold the criticism AND the praise until facts are known if you're the type of poster that hates speculation.
USMCFLYR
PinnacleFO has it right for now. Hold the criticism AND the praise until facts are known if you're the type of poster that hates speculation.
USMCFLYR
Also not sure how you perceived my comment as picking on anyone.
#33
Just wondering, I don't know the answer. One part of the V1 equation is it's the highest speed you can reach, lose an engine, reject and stay on the runway and any overrun that is stressed for aircraft and as wide as the runway. (My dispatcher side coming out.) My question is, do they count EMAS in the equation? If you're runway limited and reject, is it planned that you'll go into the EMAS? And if so, what value does EMAS give you? Is 100 feet of EMAS worth 500 feet of normal pavement or what?
#35
I'm pointing out that speculation goes both ways.
USMCFLYR
#38
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It is not an absolute. There is no policy. The decision to continue or abort at any speed rests with the PIC. I am glad I was not in that position.
I am interested in looking at the speeds involved from the perspective of seeing if our performance numbers are valid. I have wondered about this at V1 in EYW on the CR2. Talk about short. At least there you dont have to worry about running off a cliff!
#39
Another issue: the EMAS is only in the overruns... so it begs the question: why did they reject a takeoff and end up in the overrun? I know nothing about CRJ TOLD and I'm not throwing spears. I'm just curious how this will turn out.
#40
As said before, the real heroes are the people who decided that the runoff area needed this EMAS. Without it we would likely be talking about a far more serious incident.
The FAA and PSA will find out about what happened. In the meantime we all have to be thankful for the foresight somebody had to deal with a very unlikely eventuality which turned reality.
The FAA and PSA will find out about what happened. In the meantime we all have to be thankful for the foresight somebody had to deal with a very unlikely eventuality which turned reality.
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