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Old 12-16-2008, 07:48 AM
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First - yes this could be posted in the technical forum, but I figured I'd get more replies here. This is a regional aircraft in the regional forum, so I'm hoping it will stay here.


What's the deal with all the CRJ 200 operators? Are you guys noticing placards below the flap lever saying 8 and 20 are not to be put down above 200kts? I just randomly noticed this new placard about 2-3 weeks ago. It's a pain in the neck when I'm trying to use the anti-ice and slow down on an approach. Ore even out of icing conditions - we get slowed to 210kts a lot, and I like to drop flaps 8 in that time. At first I thought it would be just like one or two 200's, but now all of them I have flown have the placards. I don't even recall seeing a memo about this.

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Old 12-16-2008, 08:11 AM
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Not sure who you work for, but most companies notify their pilots when they change aircraft operating limitations...

The CRJ originally had a flaps 8/20 speed of 230...the barberpole is still there on every airplane I have flown. Bombardier changed the recommended limit to 215 years ago...I have not heard of a new, lower speed. You're right, 200 kts would be a real PITA.
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:21 AM
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9e got the new 200 kts limitation about a month ago. There have been a high number of flap failures, and the new lower limitation helps avoid having to comply with a new AD.
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:23 AM
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According to my company (PSA) Bombardier changed the AFM to 200 kts. Not sure when, but they told us about it a few weeks ago.

And yes, it is a PITA.
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:33 AM
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same at Comair.
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:44 AM
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Is it really that hard to slow to 200 before going Flaps 8? The only time I can think of it being a major obstacle operationally would be with AI on.

Even back in early 2006 when I was hired at AWAC, we were recommended to wait until 200kts before deploying flaps as it was "easier" on the system. I seem to recall the Flaps 8 company limitation being 215, but that may not be correct...
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
Is it really that hard to slow to 200 before going Flaps 8? The only time I can think of it being a major obstacle operationally would be with AI on.

Even back in early 2006 when I was hired at AWAC, we were recommended to wait until 200kts before deploying flaps as it was "easier" on the system. I seem to recall the Flaps 8 company limitation being 215, but that may not be correct...
Yep, that's all correct. The company limitation is now 200 though. I haven't really noticed much difference. It has always been recommended at 200 for us.
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mooney View Post
9e got the new 200 kts limitation about a month ago. There have been a high number of flap failures, and the new lower limitation helps avoid having to comply with a new AD.
Happen to know anything else on the AD?

Mesaba just issued a memo saying they were going to change it.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:09 AM
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At ASA we were told bombardier changed the recommendation of 200 to a limitation. This is a PITA because Atlanta routinely slows us to 210 on arrival and sometimes we maintain it onto the glideslope. They might also ask for an expedited descent at 210 for a short approach. When all you have is spoilers you don't get down as quick as they'd like.
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It was funny the other day hearing some DB know-it-all trying to stick it to ATC with " Hey approach, did you get the memo on ASA's new flap limitation? " Response: " I have no idea what you're talking about SIR "
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