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Old 09-08-2013 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
No, ratifying a TA for a B scale at a regional level is lower than that.
Sorry.
And it's atrocious that you'd group everyone together, even those of us staunchly opposed to a B scale.
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Old 09-08-2013 | 04:28 PM
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This entire thread is filled with whiny a** liberalism. How could anyone buy into this, "do what's best for the entire regional airline industry"? This thought process is being farmed by MEC leaders and pilots that are concerned for their future. There are not too many other cards for them to play, don't buy into this stuff, they are only out for themselves. Do what is best for YOU, only YOU.
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Old 09-08-2013 | 04:54 PM
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So vote for a communist TA?
Doesn't sound very republican of you.
Life is about freedom of choices. This TA removes those for you. At the same time cutting your pay, increasing your insurance premiums and hurting your fellow man.
I like the people i work with. If you do too, then vote NO.
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Old 09-08-2013 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kais
This entire thread is filled with whiny a** liberalism. How could anyone buy into this, "do what's best for the entire regional airline industry"? This thought process is being farmed by MEC leaders and pilots that are concerned for their future. There are not too many other cards for them to play, don't buy into this stuff, they are only out for themselves. Do what is best for YOU, only YOU.
Yes, kick whomever is in your way down the stairs if it impedes your advancement. Sounds like the rationalization if a sugar-baby who'd hitch themselves to the first sugar-momma who would be willing to fulfill his needs.
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Old 09-08-2013 | 06:56 PM
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you can snitch on kias if they are senior to you and move up a number. falls into kias logic.
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Old 09-08-2013 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ERJF15






Sadly, not even remotely close to being the same company...
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Old 09-09-2013 | 04:36 AM
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Threats and intimidation didn't make the Pinnacle pilots vote no, and it won't make the PSA pilots vote no. I predict it passes 60-80%.

All that can be said is read between the lines and consider every possible outcome of every clause before you decide. From what I've heard this thing is so full of loopholes favorable to the company that you may as well just decertify and go without a contract. Good luck.
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Old 09-09-2013 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Threats and intimidation didn't make the Pinnacle pilots vote no, and it won't make the PSA pilots vote no. I predict it passes 60-80%.

All that can be said is read between the lines and consider every possible outcome of every clause before you decide. From what I've heard this thing is so full of loopholes favorable to the company that you may as well just decertify and go without a contract. Good luck.
They are not voting in contract language, just on bullet points. Very bad for pilots if you ask me.
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Old 09-09-2013 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Threats and intimidation didn't make the Pinnacle pilots vote no, and it won't make the PSA pilots vote no. I predict it passes 60-80%.

All that can be said is read between the lines and consider every possible outcome of every clause before you decide. From what I've heard this thing is so full of loopholes favorable to the company that you may as well just decertify and go without a contract. Good luck.
What are you talking about? Both the company and ALPA threatened our jobs. The judge had said that Pinnacle only needed to modify a few things to get the bankruptcy agreement approved. The union said that they weren't going back to court. Delta was going to shut us down.

ALPA needs to learn to integrate groups at longevity / seniority steps that credit work done for companies we shut down. Otherwise getting enough no voters is futile.
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Old 09-09-2013 | 05:15 AM
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What are you talking about? Both the company and ALPA threatened our jobs. The judge had said that Pinnacle only needed to modify a few things to get the bankruptcy agreement approved. The union said that they weren't going back to court. Delta was going to shut us down.

ALPA needs to learn to integrate groups at longevity / seniority steps that credit work done for companies we shut down. Otherwise getting enough no voters is futile.
No, I was referring to individual pilots threatening jumpseat denials and blackballs. Lee Moak screwed you guys, then despicably, lined his cronies pockets with profit sharing from the money it saved Delta. Which set the example for US Air and every other to follow.
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