As long as our top guys have a preferential interview, no college degree required - that's all that counts.

Our Chair is worried about 13 year CA pay, not 7 year FO pay. He also claims it'll help us upgrade.

Since when has an airline done any more than the contractual minimum. Assuming all Endeavor pilots can pass the one day DAL interview, at a minimum of 144 per year (well a max to DAL that's for sure), FOs will have to wait over 10 years to get a chance for the SSP (if it exists by then). 16 years at a regional. Lifers are pathetic, and 16 is pretty freakin' close to that. Thanks Phil Trenary, for grenading a solid regional CPA.

We need to stop worrying about the career regional guys. They are the failures, and the guys trying to make a living wage before moving on suffer.

Our old JCBA gave 125% of 12.5% for 401k. Completely unnecessary and top heavy.

I'd like to see a 401k system much like in the white collar field where contributions from the company are the same percentage and vesting schedule for the new guy and the old guy. The only difference should be that the new guy doesn't get as much because his pay rate is a new hire rate while the old guy has longevity / COLA (and in white collar, performance based) raises.

CAs at regionals should never make 100s of dollars per hour thanks to the evisciration of FO wages.

 

Assuming that regional lifers are "failures" is absolutely ridiculous. For alot of people QOL at a regional is better than at a mainline. If the regional becomes a viable career option it drives more flying to the mainline due to lack of cost saving from outsourcing. If your goal is to transfer to a legacy carrier accepting substandard wages and benefits based on the idiotic "stepping stone" theory is completely counterproductive to your goals.

 

Haven't you been paying attention? 5 years ago, regionals were an acceptable career destination for those you describe. Now, every regional is facing massive concessions (particularly pay caps that destroy lifer pay), or parking of 50 seaters resulting in massive shrinkage.

I would hate to be a lifer at a regional, more than 10 years from retirement, with no other options right now.

 

The company and ALPO made the same type of threats to Eagle....
now AMR admitts the E-145's will be around for several years more than originally anticipated.

stop falling for management fear tactics. Fear is all they have.

The company HAS to make money to succeed. That means replacing fleets when needed. In Eagle's case, they're paying less than half what everybody else is paying for their EMB's... hence the things just became even more profitable again. If they can scare a bunch of fools into concessions for planes they HAVE TO BUY ANYWAY, then that just helps their bottom line, provides bigger bonus checks, and makes creditors and Wall St happier.

Stop playing their game. The company doesn't run without you.

 

and what has changed? Nothing. Everybody pays about the same for fuel.
It's the only card they have to play; fear. They do it together against their labor groups.

 

No, what changed is that 5+ years ago, the regionals were still growing. Now the 50 seat RJ is officially dying, even if some fleets will survive a few more years on life support. The business model of FFD has failed, and the regionals will never again see the growth and profitability of the early-mid 2000s. it will be all shrinking, whipsaw, and race to the bottom, with everyone trying to grab that last chair before the music stops.

 

By grabbing the last chair before the music stops are you referring taking concessions to underbid the next guy so they don't take the airplanes? Like what some PSA guys are saying?

 

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Pinnacle did it, now PSA. At least you guys said no for now. Who's next?