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Old 09-07-2013, 06:33 AM
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This doesn't only affect regionals as some have said. If mainlines can get regionals to fly 900s and 170s for peanuts then you'll see more mainline shrinkage and regional growth. Realize if you vote yes on this your laughable "preferential interview" won't mean dick because the mainlines will be too busy downsizing to hire you. Everyone needs to look at the big picture here, higher costs at regionals = more mainline jobs = more of us get out of this crap.
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Old 09-07-2013, 08:33 AM
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This doesn't only affect regionals as some have said. If mainlines can get regionals to fly 900s and 170s for peanuts then you'll see more mainline shrinkage and regional growth. Realize if you vote yes on this your laughable "preferential interview" won't mean dick because the mainlines will be too busy downsizing to hire you. Everyone needs to look at the big picture here, higher costs at regionals = more mainline jobs = more of us get out of this crap.

Perhaps this needs to be impressed upon National, who has a signature on Endeavor's BK contract. If National keeps allowing this to happen... Well you know they don't defend scope.
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Old 09-07-2013, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
first let delta grow pinnacle to be four times its size to make any difference in the regional industry. until then all they are is a smoke screen by management to get concessions. with all that savings from pinnacle delta has done nothing to capatilize on it, so WHY should anyone else concede anything.

let them go to SKW and EJT amd RAH and get the concessiosn. They cant, why because mainline does not own them or there management. These other companies have a board and stock holders to answer to whereas PSA, PDT, Pinnacle and Eagle dont, they are mainline owned. So if they wnat concession go to a non mainline owned regional and get your concessions first, if you can.
I beg to differ! Delta is capitalizing on Pinnacle, if you do a quick search and happen to stumble a cross the SKW and ASA's CPA with Delta you will see that they will have to match the second lowest regional as far as cost in 2015, I belive RAH has something similar. Compass is cheap and with the flow in 2014 will likely be even cheaper, and pinnacle is maxed out at 12 years. Delta can now sit back, relax and watch the cost of regionals decrease. They already have their large RJ fleet set and now people will have to fight to keep the 50 seaters that Delta won't park.
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Old 09-08-2013, 05:55 AM
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Wasn't PSA the original "Jets 4 Jobs" airline?
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Old 09-08-2013, 06:42 AM
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Based on past practice, Id say this vote will be a yes without any problems. PSA threw its fellow wholly-owned under the bus years ago, and this will be no different. Don't get me wrong, I am hoping PSA can turn over a new leaf, but at this point, all I can do is speculate on what I've already seen. I hope they prove me wrong.
Please stop posting negativity like this. When you do that and it's read by a truely undecided and unformed voter, subconsciously he thinks "this is past practice after all and seems to have worked in the past I guess". Youre actually unintentionally breeding yes votes. Use this site to inform people of what this actually means. For example psa guys, this preferential hiring agreement is actaully worse than the one we have now. They already take 4 of our guys per month, only in this agreement, they can pay freeze you if you forget to apply, or if you fail your interview. And of course, with this agreement psa can hold you for staffing purposes. They have done it before in 2008. They held those guys indefinitely.
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Old 09-08-2013, 06:57 AM
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I wonder if the PSA guys vote this down, management will come back later and try to pull a Pinnacle on you...threaten a "vote for this or die!" situation... :/
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Old 09-08-2013, 08:16 AM
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Please stop posting negativity like this. When you do that and it's read by a truely undecided and unformed voter, subconsciously he thinks "this is past practice after all and seems to have worked in the past I guess". Youre actually unintentionally breeding yes votes. Use this site to inform people of what this actually means. For example psa guys, this preferential hiring agreement is actaully worse than the one we have now. They already take 4 of our guys per month, only in this agreement, they can pay freeze you if you forget to apply, or if you fail your interview. And of course, with this agreement psa can hold you for staffing purposes. They have done it before in 2008. They held those guys indefinitely.
Well said fullflank. I'm getting kinda fed up and tired with so many uninformed people on this forum bashing us for no reason. Let us vote and hopefully we can send a strong message.

If you haven't worked here then stop telling us about our airline. The fact that some guys have been constantly screwed here ISN'T THEIR FAULT. Horrible timing the last 12 years in this industry IMO. Just one event after another to worsen things.
 
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I wonder if the PSA guys vote this down, management will come back later and try to pull a Pinnacle on you...threaten a "vote for this or die!" situation... :/
How would that be possible? Pinnacle could have gone straight back to the bankruptcy judge and gotten the Jcba rejected as they knew what needed to be changed after the first 1113C proposal got rejected. Is PSA in bankruptcy?
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How would that be possible? Pinnacle could have gone straight back to the bankruptcy judge and gotten the Jcba rejected as they knew what needed to be changed after the first 1113C proposal got rejected. Is PSA in bankruptcy?
From what I was told they already said if we don't do this PSA will go away with the 200s in 2018. A threat coming down from US Airways Management scaring some of the younger guys and the senior guys into a Yes vote. Talking with some people in the pilot group there are a few that I thought would vote No who are voting Yes, and some who are voting Yes that I could have bet my house on that they would have voted No. The pilot group is divided on th TA and in the past week this place has been a disaster.
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