How would that be possible? Pinnacle could have gone straight back to the bankruptcy judge and gotten the Jcba rejected as they knew what needed to be changed after the first 1113C proposal got rejected. Is PSA in bankruptcy?

 

From what I was told they already said if we don't do this PSA will go away with the 200s in 2018. A threat coming down from US Airways Management scaring some of the younger guys and the senior guys into a Yes vote. Talking with some people in the pilot group there are a few that I thought would vote No who are voting Yes, and some who are voting Yes that I could have bet my house on that they would have voted No. The pilot group is divided on th TA and in the past week this place has been a disaster.

 

but they could shut PSA down even if the pilot group signs the TA, why not go out with heads held high by voting no!

 

Great...can't wait to get started

 

They will still go regardless of the vote. There is no fleet size agreement in that TA.

 

They told Eagle pilots that all the EMBs would be parked too. Came right from TG. We are now being told we will slow the parking of the 140/145s to maintain AA regional needs.

It's all bull****.

 

They can't ComAir every regional.

 

Maybe a lesson for the youngsters, avoid the wholly owned like the plague. Regional instability is bad enough without threats of shutdowns for not playing ball. Mainline is trying one last effort to lock down low costs before staffing becomes a serious issue at the regionals. All regionals will soon be competing for a shrinking pool of pilots and these pilots will get to pick where they want to go.

 

Saabs, this is what I was wondering...I used the Pinnacle reference, because of the recency, but Com Air, being wholly owned got the Axe...I was wondering what threats the PSA group is getting if they vote no.

 

You neophytes ought to do a little research before you start attacking each other as if you individually or as a group have any say or control in what goes on. Those at the top of the food chain look at this as just a way to make profit on widgets. How much revenue can I get out of a 50 seat, 70 seat, or a 300 seat widget and what’s the cost? A pilot is just another component to remove and replace as needed that is a cost.

We can all thank Alfred E. Kahn, who presided over deregulation of the airline industry during the Carter administration, paving the way for JetBlue, Southwest, AirTran and other low-cost carriers. He led the move to deregulate U.S. airlines as chief Civil Aeronautics Board. The board had to give its approval before airlines could fly specific routes or change fares. Then we had President Jimmy Carter, thought deregulation a swell idea as a means of stimulating economic growth. Big Al and Little Jimmy C were instrumental in garnering the support needed to push through the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 - the first thorough dismantling of a comprehensive system of government control since 1935.

This unleashed the likes of Frank Lorenzo and Carl Icahn. Do whatever it takes to make a ton of money regardless of the impact on the employees.

Basic business practices at work. Whipsaw one employee group against the other to drive the costs down. They all set back laughing at you chuckleheads bickering back and forth, settle for less and work more. Meanwhile, they get a big bonus for increased productivity. The legacy carriers are using wholly owned vs contractors who in turn use pilot vs pilot.

This has been going on for years and by the time you guys figure it out you’ll be too old to give a crap and just say yeah, well, I got mine and I had to fight for it, screw the junior puke he can fight for his.

Been there, done that, now using the T-shirt to wipe the oil off my deepsteek.