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Old 09-04-2014 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tjr0806
The rest of the industry outside of Eagle could really care less. The mainline guys don't give a **** what happens at the regionals they are out for themselves just like everyone else in the world
Wrong. Most regional folks are pi$$ed.
Old 09-04-2014 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tjr0806
The rest of the industry outside of Eagle could really care less. The mainline guys don't give a **** what happens at the regionals they are out for themselves just like everyone else in the world
Wrong again. Why is PSA only losing the minimum pilots to AA, when Envoy FOs are getting hired outside the flow, and not just one or two?

It would be foolish to think that the industry does not know what is going on. Remember Envoy gets 50% of every class for some time to come. There are already many many ex Eagle pilots at AA. Eagle has had a 1 on 1 relationship with AA for the better part of 2 decades. You think PSA scum will be on the winning side of that one? Hah! Ask your PSA flows how well they are getting treated at the combined indoc. Once all training is together, let's see how it goes then.

PSA is the scum of he industry. Go there and no one will forget what you did. Only selfish little kids go there - evidenced by the PSA scum that post here.
Old 09-04-2014 | 08:19 PM
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I hope a bunch of ex Eagle guys make it on the AA hiring board.
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:07 PM
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Out of curiosity, what did the Envoy pilots think would happen by repeatedly turning Parker down?
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dragonbravo
Out of curiosity, what did the Envoy pilots think would happen by repeatedly turning Parker down?
Hope that the next pilot group STOPS THE WHIPSAW, and doesn't sell them short for selfish reasons of quick upgrades or flows.
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Originally Posted by dragonbravo
Out of curiosity, what did the Envoy pilots think would happen by repeatedly turning Parker down?
parker would blow his brains out.
Old 09-04-2014 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
Hope that the next pilot group STOPS THE WHIPSAW, and doesn't sell them short for selfish reasons of quick upgrades or flows.
So let's say after Envoy turns down Dougie, PSA turns down Dougie, then PDT turns down Dougie. Is Dougie going to say:
A) Gee gosh golly guys! I had no idea you felt so strongly about this, and dog gone I feel terrible! What can I do to make it up to you?
Or B) *** do I bother with you guys? I don't have to go to the pilot groups of Mesa, or Republic, or Skywest. As long as the contract rate I want with those management groups, I could care less what kind of pilot contract they have. And you guys can sit on your obsolete fleets and spin.

So, realistically. What did you think would happen by saying no? If it were just the wholly owned on property, yes we could stand together. But there are 11 carriers at AAG. How can one group stop the whipsaw when 8 of the 11 require no input from the pilots?
Old 09-04-2014 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dragonbravo
So let's say after Envoy turns down Dougie, PSA turns down Dougie, then PDT turns down Dougie. Is Dougie going to say:
A) Gee gosh golly guys! I had no idea you felt so strongly about this, and dog gone I feel terrible! What can I do to make it up to you?
Or B) *** do I bother with you guys? I don't have to go to the pilot groups of Mesa, or Republic, or Skywest. As long as the contract rate I want with those management groups, I could care less what kind of pilot contract they have. And you guys can sit on your obsolete fleets and spin.

So, realistically. What did you think would happen by saying no? If it were just the wholly owned on property, yes we could stand together. But there are 11 carriers at AAG. How can one group stop the whipsaw when 8 of the 11 require no input from the pilots?
You mean like the 20 e jets going to compass???
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Originally Posted by Beech90
How does the rest of the airline industry feel about new hires at psa? Like their scum? Or moot point since they didn't technically vote yet? (Although it could be argued their supporting whipsawing by going there)
Originally Posted by JT8D
They voted with their feet. Scum is a fitting term.
Scum really?
What about Express jet guys who are flying ComAir aircraft.
Republic guys flying eagle planes
Express jet guys flying eagle routes
Non-Union SKW flying eagle routes
Republic flying Colgan planes
After Eagles ATRs were parked in SJU didn't non union Seaborne start a 340 operation.
Compass flying eagle aircraft & routes
Colgan captians flying Mesaba and Pinnacle aircraft

FWIW every Eagle captain Ive talked to has said dont come to Eagle. Don't ruin your career go find an upgrade and get out. I have talked to several of the 824 and none have said come on over and help us fight and maybe in 15 years you can have what we finally got.
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
Scum really?
What about Express jet guys who are flying ComAir aircraft.
Republic guys flying eagle planes
Express jet guys flying eagle routes
Non-Union SKW flying eagle routes
Republic flying Colgan planes
After Eagles ATRs were parked in SJU didn't non union Seaborne start a 340 operation.
Compass flying eagle aircraft & routes
Colgan captians flying Mesaba and Pinnacle aircraft

FWIW every Eagle captain Ive talked to has said dont come to Eagle. Don't ruin your career go find an upgrade and get out. I have talked to several of the 824 and none have said come on over and help us fight and maybe in 15 years you can have what we finally got.
-Republic pilots did not vote in concessions to take Eagle's flying.
-ExpressJet pilots did not vote in concessions to take Eagle's flying.
-SkyWest pilots did not vote in concessions to take Eagle's flying.
-Compass pilots did not vote in concessions to take Eagle's flying.

ExpressJet and Skywest have better work rules and pay than Eagle.
Compass has better pay than Eagle

In contrast, PSA pilots specifically voted in concessions to take airplanes that were intended for Eagle.
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