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Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1697742)

Why would AAG care if we are upset? That is your ace in the hole as to why they won't give you a good deal? Say that to yourself over again in your head and maybe you'll realize how ridiculous it sounds. "AAG won't give Eagle a good deal because PSA pilots will be upset about it."........Go ahead say it.....I'll wait.

Good. Now that we have that out of the way.

If our union actually is talking to the company, which is pure unadulterated rumor at this point all they are trying to do is to make our hiring agreement a little better. Either by increasing the number taken every month, or by making it a full blown flow through. The 12/4 is staying. Again, this was all in their original strategy of "play ball now, improvements later."

As far as me being a proponent of the deal: Hindsight being 20/20 I'd probably vote yes at this point after seeing what happened to PSA voting yes, and Eagle after voting no. It's not because I'm "spineless" or a "sellout" it's because it was the smart decision at that time. We also locked in the really really really good parts of our contract for the next 10 years. Parts of the contract that no one at PSA, pilots included, had any idea were as good as they were at that time. We guaranteed that PSA will exist until 2023 in writing via an agreement for acft. That guarantee, coupled with (maybe) trouble hiring gives PSA leverage in negotiations to possibly get a full flow or an increase in required pilots moving from PSA to AAG per month.

I agree that it "isn't fair" that AAG is posting profits and we need to give but unfortunately that is the name of the game at this point for wholly owns which is a unique situation compared to other regionals. Again, this isn't because I'm "spineless" it's because I can see the writing on the wall.

Your union's mantra that "no one can staff" is clearly untrue as Mesa, Compass, and PSA continue to fill every single class they run.

On a seperate note, what are the upgrade times right now at Eagle? I'd like to throw some rough numbers at you after your response.

This response represents a part of why you idiots are completely hopeless. Where did I say they won't eventually offer us a good deal?

I'll help you out there... I never did. Putting words in peoples' mouths is the only way you failures can ever have any semblance of an argument.

The company has already willfully violated your recently signed flow through agreement by withholding pilots, so your response is to politely ask them to increase the flow in the future? Good luck on getting any improvements whatsoever. You PSA'ers are like a hooker who puts out before getting paid and then demands the money while being shoved out the door. Only difference is that you don't have some pimp to back you up.

Instead you have an MEC chairman who had proudly stated that he would be amenable to taking MORE concessions for MORE airplanes. Way to secure your "leverage" there. :rolleyes:

As for upgrade time at Eagle... I am a senior FO who stands to benefit the most from more planes. But guess what? I don't give a sht! This company can go out of business tomorrow for all I care. This job is so easily replaceable in a myriad of other careers it's ridiculous. If everyone thought like me, and if this joke of a company needs us as much as their actions indicate they do, Parker and pals would not have a leg to stand on.

You have hidden behind your no vote a lot in the past. Nice to know you fit in with the rest of the pilots over there. I bet ol' Jerry thinks he made an easy kill out of you all.

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Originally Posted by fullflank (Post 1697801)

Same exact contract but no pay caps.

Or squealing like a stuck pig, who has no advantage over the larger wholly owned. Begging for one list in order to not apply at the front door, while voluntarily offering 12/4 just to slow down the consolidation all while no one applies and the planes are pulled out from lack of pilots.

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Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1697826)

Well I didn't think that way during the vote, that's why I voted against. The simple fact is we didn't get our work rules thanks to eagles no vote. That stuff took years to negotiate. The TA with caps probably took an hour to draft. Who really knows what would've happened if we voted it down.

That's the frustrating part, Eagle stood up and after knowing Eagle had their dicl<s in the wind PSA sat down. Other than you individuality voting no, what PSA did is why Scabs are hated it was effectively crossing a picket line during a lockout.

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Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1697839)

what PSA did is why Scabs are hated it was effectively crossing a picket line during a lockout.

Not even close.

isn't eagle on a concessionary contract from AA's bankruptcy?

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Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1697839)

Sure I can understand that. I'd like to think that if we voted it down too the trend would stop and AA could just enjoy their 1.5 billion quarterly profit without trying to rape rj pilots. But we all know how it turned out. However, there's a lot of bs about our contract on here and I'm going to correct people when it's needed. Statements like we fly for free or our contract is the worst. Fact is, I just talked to a year 8 captain who is regularly crediting 12k per month. That's not an exaggeration either. Or you can credit 70 and have 19 days off. If that's working for free then I'd like to know what other rj drivers make.

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Originally Posted by cartean (Post 1697845)

Not even close.

Correct, because Eagle couldn't hold a strike vote as they were under a contract. They could only decide between bending over the ticket counter now or later.

sooo eagle voted concessions in bankruptcy while AA had billions in the bank, and you think psa pilots are the idiots? We voted based on history......Comair had raised the bar more than a decade ago, did anybody match their contract to protect them and our industry....NO! Instead you savages ASA/GOJET/PINNACLE/SKYWEST took their planes in stride.......PSA, 2007, offered 40 900's for same pay, we voted NO, offered again a year later, voted NO to protect our industry and the likes of YOU. US Air took our planes converted them to 175's and gave them to REPUBLIC, we furloughed. hey thanks Republic for going for that quick upgrade.

So did we trust our "brothers and sister" at the regionals to stand with us?....HEEELLL NO! We could have been closed up and slinging gear for guys like jt8d

you stood strong eagle, thanks but we aren't going to jump off the bridge with you, your 700's will be going to another and ours would have too.

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Originally Posted by Braniff (Post 1697875)

1. Eagle took concessions while their parent company was bankrupt. PSA took concession while their parent company had posted record profits.

2. Comair raised the bar, although Awac still has an equal to or better contract than comair, under a 2001 concessionary contract from united express.

While I understand the feeling of most psa pilots, 900's for Mesa, 175s for rah, seeing planes disappear from your grasp as you say no to a crap sandwich. This time you took a bite, in the end, you make your own meal. Let just hope hiring continues at majors and we all can enjoy a career there. Crap sandwiches for a career at lowly regionals would to me seem like jail sentence.