PSA stops hiring f/o's
05-23-2015, 05:38 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
From what I've been told we have enough FO's to staff our deliveries through November, so a short break to catch up the backlog and get some street captains through its not unreasonable.
Don't forget we probably have close to 200 pilots still in some stage of initial training, so we will still have new pilots hitting the line every month for a while.
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Don't forget we probably have close to 200 pilots still in some stage of initial training, so we will still have new pilots hitting the line every month for a while.
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Great Lakes, Silver, and Commutair will probably fold within a year. GLA for sure by end of the summer.
Republic has nothing whatsoever to offer a new hire, nothing but cancellations, no contract for a decade, no cancellation pay. That is a shrinking airline with no wholly owned backing to do anything meaningful to attract new hires (new hires which really don't even exist outside of the FO shuffle).
Envoy is shrinking and basically out of business. The lies that are told there serve nothing else but to try and ensure an orderly shutdown by keeping pilots as long as possible. They simply cannot pull the plug on the existing airplanes and flying all at once, it takes time to get that transferred. There is no way E175s are coming, that is what was told to keep people there during the shrinkage and shutdown.
PDT looks like a pretty good deal right now. Although their flow to American is not super high numbers, the low amount of pilots on the seniority list seems to ensure a quick flow probably within 5 years.
Endeavor, I know nothing about them other then the $20,000 retention bonus. But there is a cost for that in the length of time you have to sit their before upgrade. It's a tradeoff but they will be in a position to cope with changes as they are wholly owned.
All the rest will eventually be one of the first to close up. Pilots at these airlines will have to add a new rung on the climb up the ladder, they will have to take a job at a wholly owned regional first unless they go to an LCC. There will be a new pecking order as regionals are forced to turn down flying and pilots flock to better wholly owned regionals. It's inevitable. There will be more mainline slots opening up then there are regional pilots to fill them and mainlines will want to preserve their regional network as long as possible. The math doesn't lie.
05-23-2015, 05:51 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Rut row, quick upgrade express derailed by street CA's.
Whose next? CPZ? Mesa? I'll take your answers off the air.
Whose next? CPZ? Mesa? I'll take your answers off the air.
05-23-2015, 05:59 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by tom11011
There's no doubt about it, PSA is THE premier airline to work for at the moment. Obviously things change fast in this industry. In about two years I'm sure the quick upgrades will slow but for the time being, with the exception of PDT being pretty high on the list, there is no where really realistically to go that can offer what they offer.
Great Lakes, Silver, and Commutair will probably fold within a year. GLA for sure by end of the summer.
Republic has nothing whatsoever to offer a new hire, nothing but cancellations, no contract for a decade, no cancellation pay. That is a shrinking airline with no wholly owned backing to do anything meaningful to attract new hires (new hires which really don't even exist outside of the FO shuffle).
Envoy is shrinking and basically out of business. The lies that are told there serve nothing else but to try and ensure an orderly shutdown by keeping pilots as long as possible. They simply cannot pull the plug on the existing airplanes and flying all at once, it takes time to get that transferred. There is no way E175s are coming, that is what was told to keep people there during the shrinkage and shutdown.
PDT looks like a pretty good deal right now. Although their flow to American is not super high numbers, the low amount of pilots on the seniority list seems to ensure a quick flow probably within 5 years.
Endeavor, I know nothing about them other then the $20,000 retention bonus. But there is a cost for that in the length of time you have to sit their before upgrade. It's a tradeoff but they will be in a position to cope with changes as they are wholly owned.
All the rest will eventually be one of the first to close up. Pilots at these airlines will have to add a new rung on the climb up the ladder, they will have to take a job at a wholly owned regional first unless they go to an LCC. There will be a new pecking order as regionals are forced to turn down flying and pilots flock to better wholly owned regionals. It's inevitable. There will be more mainline slots opening up then there are regional pilots to fill them and mainlines will want to preserve their regional network as long as possible. The math doesn't lie.
Great Lakes, Silver, and Commutair will probably fold within a year. GLA for sure by end of the summer.
Republic has nothing whatsoever to offer a new hire, nothing but cancellations, no contract for a decade, no cancellation pay. That is a shrinking airline with no wholly owned backing to do anything meaningful to attract new hires (new hires which really don't even exist outside of the FO shuffle).
Envoy is shrinking and basically out of business. The lies that are told there serve nothing else but to try and ensure an orderly shutdown by keeping pilots as long as possible. They simply cannot pull the plug on the existing airplanes and flying all at once, it takes time to get that transferred. There is no way E175s are coming, that is what was told to keep people there during the shrinkage and shutdown.
PDT looks like a pretty good deal right now. Although their flow to American is not super high numbers, the low amount of pilots on the seniority list seems to ensure a quick flow probably within 5 years.
Endeavor, I know nothing about them other then the $20,000 retention bonus. But there is a cost for that in the length of time you have to sit their before upgrade. It's a tradeoff but they will be in a position to cope with changes as they are wholly owned.
All the rest will eventually be one of the first to close up. Pilots at these airlines will have to add a new rung on the climb up the ladder, they will have to take a job at a wholly owned regional first unless they go to an LCC. There will be a new pecking order as regionals are forced to turn down flying and pilots flock to better wholly owned regionals. It's inevitable. There will be more mainline slots opening up then there are regional pilots to fill them and mainlines will want to preserve their regional network as long as possible. The math doesn't lie.
05-23-2015, 06:27 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by tom11011
There's no doubt about it, PSA is THE premier airline to work for at the moment. Obviously things change fast in this industry. In about two years I'm sure the quick upgrades will slow but for the time being, with the exception of PDT being pretty high on the list, there is no where really realistically to go that can offer what they offer.
Great Lakes, Silver, and Commutair will probably fold within a year. GLA for sure by end of the summer.
Republic has nothing whatsoever to offer a new hire, nothing but cancellations, no contract for a decade, no cancellation pay. That is a shrinking airline with no wholly owned backing to do anything meaningful to attract new hires (new hires which really don't even exist outside of the FO shuffle).
Envoy is shrinking and basically out of business. The lies that are told there serve nothing else but to try and ensure an orderly shutdown by keeping pilots as long as possible. They simply cannot pull the plug on the existing airplanes and flying all at once, it takes time to get that transferred. There is no way E175s are coming, that is what was told to keep people there during the shrinkage and shutdown.
PDT looks like a pretty good deal right now. Although their flow to American is not super high numbers, the low amount of pilots on the seniority list seems to ensure a quick flow probably within 5 years.
Endeavor, I know nothing about them other then the $20,000 retention bonus. But there is a cost for that in the length of time you have to sit their before upgrade. It's a tradeoff but they will be in a position to cope with changes as they are wholly owned.
All the rest will eventually be one of the first to close up. Pilots at these airlines will have to add a new rung on the climb up the ladder, they will have to take a job at a wholly owned regional first unless they go to an LCC. There will be a new pecking order as regionals are forced to turn down flying and pilots flock to better wholly owned regionals. It's inevitable. There will be more mainline slots opening up then there are regional pilots to fill them and mainlines will want to preserve their regional network as long as possible. The math doesn't lie.
Great Lakes, Silver, and Commutair will probably fold within a year. GLA for sure by end of the summer.
Republic has nothing whatsoever to offer a new hire, nothing but cancellations, no contract for a decade, no cancellation pay. That is a shrinking airline with no wholly owned backing to do anything meaningful to attract new hires (new hires which really don't even exist outside of the FO shuffle).
Envoy is shrinking and basically out of business. The lies that are told there serve nothing else but to try and ensure an orderly shutdown by keeping pilots as long as possible. They simply cannot pull the plug on the existing airplanes and flying all at once, it takes time to get that transferred. There is no way E175s are coming, that is what was told to keep people there during the shrinkage and shutdown.
PDT looks like a pretty good deal right now. Although their flow to American is not super high numbers, the low amount of pilots on the seniority list seems to ensure a quick flow probably within 5 years.
Endeavor, I know nothing about them other then the $20,000 retention bonus. But there is a cost for that in the length of time you have to sit their before upgrade. It's a tradeoff but they will be in a position to cope with changes as they are wholly owned.
All the rest will eventually be one of the first to close up. Pilots at these airlines will have to add a new rung on the climb up the ladder, they will have to take a job at a wholly owned regional first unless they go to an LCC. There will be a new pecking order as regionals are forced to turn down flying and pilots flock to better wholly owned regionals. It's inevitable. There will be more mainline slots opening up then there are regional pilots to fill them and mainlines will want to preserve their regional network as long as possible. The math doesn't lie.
PSA is far from the premier airline to go to. If I was a new-hire I would steer very clear of it for many many reasons. As for envoy, you clearly have no clue about anything going on at this airline! I actually laughed when I read your little blurb about it.
You're not worth the effort in debating as you're clearly a complete dummy, but I will correct you with this...the 175's are coming, the flow is working (by the way our flow is not contractual, it's a court arbitrated agreement which is better), and the airline is not being shut down.
05-23-2015, 06:31 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by Mach Indicator
I heard that if you did get hired as a street CA that one issue would be that when a PSA FO upgraded to CA they would be senior to you and could potentially push you out of the left seat. So that wouldn't derail the upgrade express, but I have no evidence of this.
05-23-2015, 06:32 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
At TSA, the pay is higher and the upgrade is nearly the same. Plus the contract doesn't allow street captains. PSA isn't the premier anything.
05-23-2015, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
All the rest will eventually be one of the first to close up. Pilots at these airlines will have to add a new rung on the climb up the ladder, they will have to take a job at a wholly owned regional first unless they go to an LCC. There will be a new pecking order as regionals are forced to turn down flying and pilots flock to better wholly owned regionals. It's inevitable. There will be more mainline slots opening up then there are regional pilots to fill them and mainlines will want to preserve their regional network as long as possible. The math doesn't lie.
AAG has Envoy (flow), Piedmont (flow) and PSA (guaranteed interview). Delta has Endeavor (flow); aren't all those at Compass who had flow rights already at DL? United has... um, er... Buehler?
If one wants to fly for American, then going to one of the WOs makes sense (I won't discuss pros and cons of each of the AAG WOs here as that's been hashed over and argued about in a bunch of threads here). That still leaves a number of options - although not as many as in the past - for anyone at a regional carrier to move to.
You are probably correct in that some of the regionals won't be around for the long term. We can only guess which ones they may be. Today's gem can be tomorrow's goat, and the only thing for sure in this industry is that nothing is certain until it's done. "Variables aren't, and constants won't," or something like that.
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