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Old 06-25-2015 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Unless they break it down by average longevity per seat, that data is essentially worthless.
One step better - I would love to see the average W-2 for:

1st year FOs
2nd thru 5th FOs
5th thru 10th FOs

Ditto for captains.

That would greatly help to cut through the smoke of pay rates, cancellation vs. no cancellation pay, soft pay, trip trades....that stuff makes a non-121's head spin. o.O

Hard numbers would be awesome.
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Old 06-25-2015 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
One step better - I would love to see the average W-2 for:

1st year FOs
2nd thru 5th FOs
5th thru 10th FOs

Ditto for captains.

That would greatly help to cut through the smoke of pay rates, cancellation vs. no cancellation pay, soft pay, trip trades....that stuff makes a non-121's head spin. o.O

Hard numbers would be awesome.
In my opinion you don't want to consider airlines with 5-10 year FO's as there are plenty to choose from that have 1 year or less upgrades.
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Old 06-25-2015 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
In my opinion you don't want to consider airlines with 5-10 year FO's as there are plenty to choose from that have 1 year or less upgrades.
I heard guys are getting duped into signing up for Direct Entry Captain and then actually being an FO.

I also heard the union is hiding the fact that they plan to put in a grievance against the Direct Entry guys because it violates their contract. They just don't want to upset the apple cart until the training bubble gets caught up. Beware potential new guys!!
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Old 06-25-2015 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
I heard guys are getting duped into signing up for Direct Entry Captain and then actually being an FO.
Yeah. PSA is having trouble getting 50 new hire f/o's per month through the training bottleneck,....... so they hire Direct Entry Captains....... to be f/o's.

I'm disappointed in you. You're not even TRYING anymore,........ just phoning it in.
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Old 06-25-2015 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
I heard guys are getting duped into signing up for Direct Entry Captain and then actually being an FO.

I also heard the union is hiding the fact that they plan to put in a grievance against the Direct Entry guys because it violates their contract. They just don't want to upset the apple cart until the training bubble gets caught up. Beware potential new guys!!
Again with lies. You make stuff up on a daily basis. Blatantly untrue. Period.
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Old 06-25-2015 | 11:19 AM
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In comes the cover up crew again.

Tell them about the CRJs and how it will actually be 2017 when you get the 700s from envoy now.
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Old 06-25-2015 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
I heard guys are getting duped into signing up for Direct Entry Captain and then actually being an FO.

I also heard the union is hiding the fact that they plan to put in a grievance against the Direct Entry guys because it violates their contract. They just don't want to upset the apple cart until the training bubble gets caught up. Beware potential new guys!!
How's that even possible considering decs do not even start ground school for a few more days? You even suck at lying lol.
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Old 06-25-2015 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
In comes the cover up crew again.

Tell them about the CRJs and how it will actually be 2017 when you get the 700s from envoy now.
The first two CR7 are already in service, with the 3rd at the hangar in DAY. 900 deliveries start again in November.

Keep trying.
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Old 06-25-2015 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
In comes the cover up crew again.

Tell them about the CRJs and how it will actually be 2017 when you get the 700s from envoy now.
#3 arrived today right on time, thanks for checking. It's too easy!! Owned again!!
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Old 06-25-2015 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
#3 arrived today right on time, thanks for checking. It's too easy!! Owned again!!
Not talking about the current group. I am talking about the second group. Pushed to 2017.

You guys need to stop lying. These are people's lives you are messing with.
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