PSA Direct Entry!!!!!!!!!!!!
07-17-2015 | 08:59 AM
#311
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So, what you're telling me is that PSA should have ignored the writing on the wall that almost everyone there saw (even the no voters), so that they can justify their reluctant acceptance of the TA with tangible evidence in the shape of actual aircraft loss? Your claims make zero sense. You are basically saying that PSA should have waited to lose some planes before inevitably voting yes. That is beyond ridiculous.
07-17-2015 | 09:38 AM
#312
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From: Prone
At AE they would notify you by ACARS or have a person from the CP's office meet you at the gate.
By the contract you could always play the "ACARS isn't a legal form of positive contact" game, but that would only have you doing a carpet dance in the CP's office later.
Not picking up your phone on your day off falls under the "No duh" category.
By the contract you could always play the "ACARS isn't a legal form of positive contact" game, but that would only have you doing a carpet dance in the CP's office later.
Not picking up your phone on your day off falls under the "No duh" category.
07-17-2015 | 09:47 AM
#313
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And where was ALPA National? Certainly not leading that charge.
07-17-2015 | 09:50 AM
#314
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Exactly.
Don't forget to add in the signed agreement between all the FFD MEC's agreeing to stick together from the meeting in 2013. Do you still have a copy of that?
Envoy had no choice in their last vote after PSA voted yes and completely screwed any chance of solidarity and upward trends. Only an absolute idiot can claim Envoy did the same thing PSA did. Envoy lost 97 aircraft after 3 no votes, then a PSA (YES) vote. 47 of our CRJ's went to PSA after that yes vote, then 50 EMB's were given away. With no replacement aircraft. What did PSA lose before their vote? Were they in any real danger or just threats? Oh yeah.. They lost Nothing before caving on that vote.. Just a promise of nice shiny jets coming in in exchange for concessions at the rest of the industries expense. At a time of record profits..
At this point Envoy was doomed, we lost most of our fleet, we were losing pilots like crazy and had zero hope of survival after losing more aircraft than many other regionals even had in the first place. Without that vote PSA and others would have just taken everything else from us until we were shut down and unemployed.
Don't forget to add in the signed agreement between all the FFD MEC's agreeing to stick together from the meeting in 2013. Do you still have a copy of that?
Envoy had no choice in their last vote after PSA voted yes and completely screwed any chance of solidarity and upward trends. Only an absolute idiot can claim Envoy did the same thing PSA did. Envoy lost 97 aircraft after 3 no votes, then a PSA (YES) vote. 47 of our CRJ's went to PSA after that yes vote, then 50 EMB's were given away. With no replacement aircraft. What did PSA lose before their vote? Were they in any real danger or just threats? Oh yeah.. They lost Nothing before caving on that vote.. Just a promise of nice shiny jets coming in in exchange for concessions at the rest of the industries expense. At a time of record profits..
At this point Envoy was doomed, we lost most of our fleet, we were losing pilots like crazy and had zero hope of survival after losing more aircraft than many other regionals even had in the first place. Without that vote PSA and others would have just taken everything else from us until we were shut down and unemployed.
07-17-2015 | 09:56 AM
#315
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From: CRJ700 F/O
How many people does airport reserve affect per month? A handful per base? And not every airline has 4+ year reserve to worry about sitting at the airport. You could also trade your cancellation pay with RAH for no junior manning.
07-17-2015 | 09:57 AM
#316
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From: CRJ200 CA
So, what you're telling me is that PSA should have ignored the writing on the wall that almost everyone there saw (even the no voters), so that they can justify their reluctant acceptance of the TA with tangible evidence in the shape of actual aircraft loss? Your claims make zero sense. You are basically saying that PSA should have waited to lose some planes before inevitably voting yes. That is beyond ridiculous.
The pilots of PSA are now reaping the benefits of having played into management's hands and making the future a lot harder for everyone else. We are competitors but that is not the same thing as being outright buddy frackers. PSA pilots really fracked the pooch on this and there is no denying it.
But why argue about it? With the quick upgrades and new planes just be sure to brag about it on the crew vans and in the jumpseat. If you're going to be a buddy fracker then you owe it to the rest of the world to be a big fat loud buddy fracker!!!
07-17-2015 | 10:48 AM
#318
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From: and Hold
Are you sure? The poster himself seems to disagree with you:
What you fail to realize, and as evident by your chewed up slogans and sound bytes, is that RyanP and I agree that the industry should stand together. The point I disagree with him on, is whether or not we actually have a realistic platform to be able to do that within the current regional framework, due to the existence of contract carriers. I was disputing the fact that his post DID NOT advocate solidarity, and that he claimed a yes vote is in fact justified only after evidence of retaliation by the parent company is brought to light (as in the case of eagle). Once again the old and tired mantra continues- it is ok for Eagle to vote yes but not for PSA.
But let's not use any kind of rational thought in the debate here, feel free to respond with that intelligent and compelling "buddy fracking" argument.
07-17-2015 | 11:08 AM
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Exactly.
Don't forget to add in the signed agreement between all the FFD MEC's agreeing to stick together from the meeting in 2013. Do you still have a copy of that?
Envoy had no choice in their last vote after PSA voted yes and completely screwed any chance of solidarity and upward trends. Only an absolute idiot can claim Envoy did the same thing PSA did. Envoy lost 97 aircraft after 3 no votes, then a PSA (YES) vote. 47 of our CRJ's went to PSA after that yes vote, then 50 EMB's were given away. With no replacement aircraft. What did PSA lose before their vote? Were they in any real danger or just threats? Oh yeah.. They lost Nothing before caving on that vote.. Just a promise of nice shiny jets coming in in exchange for concessions at the rest of the industries expense. At a time of record profits..
At this point Envoy was doomed, we lost most of our fleet, we were losing pilots like crazy and had zero hope of survival after losing more aircraft than many other regionals even had in the first place. Without that vote PSA and others would have just taken everything else from us until we were shut down and unemployed.
Don't forget to add in the signed agreement between all the FFD MEC's agreeing to stick together from the meeting in 2013. Do you still have a copy of that?
Envoy had no choice in their last vote after PSA voted yes and completely screwed any chance of solidarity and upward trends. Only an absolute idiot can claim Envoy did the same thing PSA did. Envoy lost 97 aircraft after 3 no votes, then a PSA (YES) vote. 47 of our CRJ's went to PSA after that yes vote, then 50 EMB's were given away. With no replacement aircraft. What did PSA lose before their vote? Were they in any real danger or just threats? Oh yeah.. They lost Nothing before caving on that vote.. Just a promise of nice shiny jets coming in in exchange for concessions at the rest of the industries expense. At a time of record profits..
At this point Envoy was doomed, we lost most of our fleet, we were losing pilots like crazy and had zero hope of survival after losing more aircraft than many other regionals even had in the first place. Without that vote PSA and others would have just taken everything else from us until we were shut down and unemployed.
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