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#301

spaaks , 07-17-2015 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanP

Exactly.

Don't forget to add in the signed agreement between all the FFD MEC's agreeing to stick together from the meeting in 2013. Do you still have a copy of that?

Envoy had no choice in their last vote after PSA voted yes and completely screwed any chance of solidarity and upward trends. Only an absolute idiot can claim Envoy did the same thing PSA did. Envoy lost 97 aircraft after the PSA vote! 47 of our CRJ's to PSA and 50 EMB's. With no replacements. What did PSA lose before their vote? Oh yeah.. Nothing.. Just a promise of nice shiny jets coming in in exchange for concessions at the rest of the industries expense. At a time of record profits..

At this point Envoy was doomed, we lost most of our fleet, we were losing pilots like crazy and had zero hope of survival after losing more aircraft than many other regionals even had in the first place. Without that vote PSA and others would have just taken everything else from us until we were shut down and unemployed.

I like this guy

#302

DOGIII , 07-17-2015 08:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanP

Exactly.

Don't forget to add in the signed agreement between all the FFD MEC's agreeing to stick together from the meeting in 2013. Do you still have a copy of that?

Envoy had no choice in their last vote after PSA voted yes and completely screwed any chance of solidarity and upward trends. Only an absolute idiot can claim Envoy did the same thing PSA did. Envoy lost 97 aircraft after the PSA vote! 47 of our CRJ's to PSA and 50 EMB's. With no replacements. What did PSA lose before their vote? Oh yeah.. Nothing.. Just a promise of nice shiny jets coming in in exchange for concessions at the rest of the industries expense. At a time of record profits..

Ar this point Envoy was doomed, losing pilots like crazy and had zero hope of survival after losing all it's aircraft. Without that vote PSA and others would have just taken everything else from us until we were shut down.

So, what you're telling me is that PSA should have ignored the writing on the wall that almost everyone there saw (even the no voters), so that they can justify their reluctant acceptance of the TA with tangible evidence in the shape of actual aircraft loss? Your claims make zero sense. You are basically saying that PSA should have waited to lose some planes before inevitably voting yes. That is beyond ridiculous.

#303

RyanP , 07-17-2015 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DOGIII

No I'm saying everyone should have stuck together and collectively told them to go to hell (we are all ALPA). Like we were doing. Then we wouldn't be put in this situation of "having" to accept a terrible deal at a time of record profits. Either of us.

#304

cartean , 07-17-2015 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sevenforseven

Junior manning doesn't always come via a phone call. You DO know that, right?

Well how else does it come then?

#305

DOGIII , 07-17-2015 08:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanP

No I'm saying everyone should have stuck together and collectively told them to go to hell (we are all ALPA). So we weren't put in this situation of having to accept a terrible deal at a time of record profits. Either of us.

I am completely onboard, so long as you can somehow get MESA TSA and the rest of the contract carriers to deny placement of aircraft on their properties. The amount of planes all those guys are getting, would suggest that is an impossibility.

#306

Coneydog , 07-17-2015 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DOGIII

How did you get that out of what he said? He makes perfect sense, and most of the industry completely agrees with him.

#307

sevenforseven , 07-17-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cartean

Well how else does it come then?

At AE they would notify you by ACARS or have a person from the CP's office meet you at the gate.

By the contract you could always play the "ACARS isn't a legal form of positive contact" game, but that would only have you doing a carpet dance in the CP's office later.

Not picking up your phone on your day off falls under the "No duh" category.

#308

MitchRapp , 07-17-2015 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanP

And where was ALPA National? Certainly not leading that charge.

#309

AlphaMikeFoxtrt , 07-17-2015 09:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanP

Exactly.

Don't forget to add in the signed agreement between all the FFD MEC's agreeing to stick together from the meeting in 2013. Do you still have a copy of that?

Envoy had no choice in their last vote after PSA voted yes and completely screwed any chance of solidarity and upward trends. Only an absolute idiot can claim Envoy did the same thing PSA did. Envoy lost 97 aircraft after 3 no votes, then a PSA (YES) vote. 47 of our CRJ's went to PSA after that yes vote, then 50 EMB's were given away. With no replacement aircraft. What did PSA lose before their vote? Were they in any real danger or just threats? Oh yeah.. They lost Nothing before caving on that vote.. Just a promise of nice shiny jets coming in in exchange for concessions at the rest of the industries expense. At a time of record profits..

At this point Envoy was doomed, we lost most of our fleet, we were losing pilots like crazy and had zero hope of survival after losing more aircraft than many other regionals even had in the first place. Without that vote PSA and others would have just taken everything else from us until we were shut down and unemployed.

Don't forget that all the ALPA FFD regionals signed that agreement EXCEPT PSA...

#310

jumpseat2024 , 07-17-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cujo665

Really?
For example
They don't do airport reserve
They don't do junior manning

In many ways their contract is better than others. Our guys would kill for those two things.

How many people does airport reserve affect per month? A handful per base? And not every airline has 4+ year reserve to worry about sitting at the airport. You could also trade your cancellation pay with RAH for no junior manning.