PilotCrusader

Bad troll. Back under the bridge.

PilotCrusader

Good Stuff!

Theonemarine

Look, point blank, from someone here at PSA who's been here for a bit... the SSP will not increase substantially. For what the company wants for it, it probably won't at all as it'll be voted down. Come here knowing that you are 33% less likely to get on at a legacy because there is no hiring to American outside of SSP and at the pace we're at or that the company is willing to go, the fact is it will be 20+ years to flow. It's something you'll need to deal with. If American is your end goal, you will need to work at an intermediary before you go there, period.

This is coming from someone who's not associated with any other airline but PSA. It's the truth. Want a quick upgrade and money and a looong reserve life but living in a base? Come here. Want to go to American? Best look elsewhere. Want open options and 3 legacies to apply to and a fair shot at all 3? Again, go elsewhere, PSA won't do you any good.

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FirstClass

Completely agree. It probably won't the even matter in 5 years anyway as many regionals will have shrunk out of existence while the larger ones merge together until they to suffer the same fate.

Flow/ssp has value to about 10 pilots per month to AA. But only for the next year or two. After that, regionals will be trying to do everything they can to preserve their mainline feed but it will be pointless as people will be moving on to greener pastures so quickly.

A new hire today shouldn't lend any weight to a flow as it is completely unnecessary. If you think about it its more of a management tool to ensure obedience if anything.

Theonemarine

Not quite my point. Flow here isn't a non-issue. It's just actually the opposite of what it "should" be. Rather than having no effect on a career, which normally it wouldn't, at PSA it's actually detrimental to your career as you're killing your shot at 1/3 of the remaining legacy carriers. Of course that only matters if American is your goal or a legitimate option for you.

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FirstClass

But that's the situation today. Things are going to get interesting in the next few years.

PilotCrusader

Completely agree and further proof of why LastClass wants so badly to make envoy's flow go away: it is hurting his chances of getting to a major.

He can "lies lies lies" all he wants about flow, but for the last two years envoy has tied up 62% of all new hire slots at American, and that is forecast to continue(this year being 70%). Add in the 4 flows from PSA and 3 from PDT, and there really is no room for to many others. They will fill that additional space from the military and LCCs. Delta hired 964 in 2014 and 47% were military. Less than 1%(could be none) came from PSA. United hired 546 in 2014 and 70% came from Civilian. 2%, or 7 people, came from PSA.

Without the flow, PSA sent 7-8 people to a major last year. I understand why LastClass is freaking out so much.

Theonemarine

You're correct. But as a new hire, I wouldn't hinge on what might be. I'd hang my hat on what I know today. And the fact today is a PSA new hire is looking at 25 years to mainline with no significant increase in sight, and if he's a DEC he's looking at a lot of reserve. I don't think we'll be in a position to displace DECs out of their seats, but QOL as a reserve at PSA Airlines might make them wish they could if they don't live in base.

The latest game is the company trying to schedule trainees for 4 overnight, 5 day trips under the pretense that basically a trainee isn't covered by the section of the contract stating you can only do 4 sections (4 day trip), and basically placing trainees in that status as less than human.

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gold

Everyone hired at PSA from early 2011 tell early 2014 will flow to American in six years or less(from their PSA hire date a tell class date at American).

DOGIII

Yes actually. You SHOULD let him post whatever he wants. By counter-trolling you are:

1. Empowering him and validating his cynical claims which I don't think were ever meant to be believed, even by him.
2. Taking the low road.
3. Deflecting from problems at home at Envoy.
4. Eroding your credibility on the board.
5. Neglecting to strive for improved discourse here, which you have reasonably set out to do, all because some anonymous poster provoked you?! You have got to be kidding me. Just filter out things and conduct yourself independently of him; we are responsible for our own posts in this community.

Look no further than the fact that PSA APC members do not habitually start dedicated threads targeting issues at Envoy, as a indicator that nobody at PSA wants a turf war, and imo you should go back to de-escalating this nonsense. We don't go around publicly announcing all the internal issues at Envoy including shrinkage, base closures, reserve abuse, aircraft loss, flow issues, and many more to further our agenda, nor do most of us wish those problems existed. For some reason, it seems acceptable to open threads deliberately over-magnifying PSA issues, because some at Envoy are spinning their carrier as a victim.