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Old 10-10-2015, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot View Post
Good thing your amusement, approval or desires don't and won't ever matter.
He's giving more of a nervous laugh as he watches his own airline crumble.
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Old 10-10-2015, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by WakeWash View Post
He's giving more of a nervous laugh as he watches his own airline crumble.
I'll still openly accept him as a new FO here when that time comes.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
You can't be that clueless are you? Those planes were planned to be moved way before a PSA vote.
Absolutely true.

The whole " we had to vote yes or they would have shut us down" argument had no merit.

I'm assuming you weren't one of those making it.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WakeWash View Post
Not defending management in any way at all, but LCAs aren't exactly line pilots. They become more or less management pilots. So there are some things they do have to sacrifice to be able to carry the LCA tag.

On another note, make these poll threads is pretty pointless. Most of the people checking yes or no have nothing to do with the airlines these are made for, making them very inaccurate and useless.
"Aren't exactly line pilots" may not be defending management, but it is certainly not defending line pilots either. Line Check Airman bid the same lines all "line pilots" do, we hold what our seniority can hold, we pay ALPA dues, we bid the same vacation, we fly schedules subjective to schedulings whim. The difference is I teach, grade and submit paperwork for which I earn 25% override. For the LCA tag, which was earned, I'm not willing to lock my schedule 6 days in advance? I'm not more or less a management pilot; I'm a line pilot that's a check airman. I've earned every benefit that's in the contract I voted on.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
Apparently now the NC is seeking clarification on the displacement language from the company... AFTER THE TA HAS BEEN SENT FOR A VOTE. What a clown show this place is. I mean seriously, how was that not something you addressed when you were negotiating to begin with? And it's not like it was a recent revelation. Pilots were pointing out the grey language a week or two ago. Unbelievable.
PDT and Envoy are hiring, sounds like you would like it better over at those places.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt View Post
PDT and Envoy are hiring, sounds like you would like it better over at those places.
Maybe when they start offering DEC. I'm too close to upgrade and can't afford several years as an FO.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by seafeye View Post
They are locking LCA schedules out >6 days right now. This just puts it in writing.
Of course they are. The average notification until we started negotiating this TA (June ish) was 2-3 days. Locking anyone's schedule is not in the contract, that's why it's in writing now. Past practice is not what was written in though.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot View Post
Maybe when they start offering DEC. I'm too close to upgrade and can't afford several years as an FO.
PDT has a $10k bonus and projected one year upgrade, now is the time.
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Old 10-10-2015, 02:01 PM
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I guess you guys that have been here for 6 months did not want to answer my direct question......

Anyway: There is nothing in the contract right now that prohibits the company from displacing a pilot AT ALL. If they want the could displace you right after the final award. This agreement puts a cap on it. It's not ideal but it's BETTER than what we have now.

I'll ask another question that you guys probably will not answer......if we vote no do you think the company will just say "well, guess we have to wait until 48 hours before now." You all know how that scenario will play out.

What exactly are you voting no for?
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Old 10-10-2015, 02:03 PM
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Perhaps some PSA guys want to know what voting no feels like?


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