seafeye

The lounge closing was the start of the lies. All data from the previous MEC regarding critical pay is now gone. We were told that the site was unreliable therefore had to be removed.
That was a lie. It was removed because ALPA wanted control over it.
Not letting the pilots aware of a arbitration decision is also lying.
Be transparent, and you will gain trust from your members. ALPA needs to be replaced.

272922

Correlation does not equal causation.

What incentives does the current or former MEC members have to lie? What's the economic benefit to them?

What's your proof?

Lastly, aren't you at mainline? If so, seems like you've made out nicely.

MitchRapp

Maybe the trip buy outs, personal reimbursements and qol that they don't want to lose by being recalled? The man has a point.; the forum being taken down once people starting questioning the arbitration process and talking about lawyering up is a little sketch.

272922

You make it sound like they're on perpetual vacation. The reps and committee chairs that I have flown with in the past all have their phones being blown up on a regular basis while on a trip. The former TYS FO Rep likens being a regular line pilot again to a vacation. I think you're overstating the gains, if indeed there are any.
I will agree that the timing was suspect, and I pressed some of the reps on this. In the end you agree with their story or you don't. If the latter, bring proof.

As for "lawyering up," ALPA is already your bargaining agent in the process, someone deciding to go public on the prior forum about wanting the arbitrators contact information to bring his own lawyer needs to read up on USAPA and how that whole process worked for them.

Lastly, keep in mind that these are legal processes we're talking about. Please list for me legal processes that you know of that are fast. Red light cameras don't count.

1stCivDivPilot

I will also add that our reps, in particular TR, is traveling on his days off to overnights in order to discuss issues with NC members. Is he getting reimbursed? I have no idea but is any reimbursement worth lost days at home.

seafeye

Any pilot working on this "new" contract is owed a substantial amount of money. This is no different than the company saying they are going to pay us $50/HR then paying $30. It's fraud. Now if indeed the arbitrator has made a decision and made it known to the company and the MEC then we all have a right to know. People are making decisions to stay/leave PSA based on their financial needs. Making an educated decision is paramount. I wouldn't be surprised that the MEC members aren't personally allowing themselves to be sued by withholding information.
I'm sure TR is a good man and that his heart is in the right place. But people make mistakes, and open communication will help prevent them.
Shutting down the forum and Facebook pages arent going to work. This is the Information Age after all.

MitchRapp

272922, I really have no dog in this one. I was just stating that being a part of the union, in certain roles, does have economic advantages deserved or not. I don't really care why or that the forum was removed. The timing was just poor with the regime change. I've been a part of a pilot group that has threatened the whole lawyer thing before. It always ends up being more bark than bite. But it wasn't too long after that gained some thread steam that the server went dark.

272922

You really need to take a moment and step back and think about the bigger picture. ALPA negotiated contract 2013, and the 4-5 months that the company actually abided by were really good for the pilot group. But the moment the company engages in fraud (a point you and I agree on) stop your apparent logic is to blame ALPA? ALPA files a grievance and argues it and again you want to blame ALPA? The arbitrator requests that ALPA and the company do their best to come to their own resolution, and ALPA refuses to give any concessions, and you're still blaming ALPA? The arbitrator takes his sweet time coming to a decision and, you guessed it, ALPA is still getting the blame. Lastly, there may or may not be a ruling and you're blaming ALPA for that too.

In case you missed the memo, ALPA doesn't run the company. The only way your union (well, you're APA now, right?) has to coerce to the company to do anything it doesn't want to is the arbitration process, and as I mentioned earlier that is a legal process, and for better or worse the legal profession in this country has determined that that takes times. And yet there are some that think it's apparently a bright idea to interject yet another group of lawyers into this whole morass thinking somehow that's going to speed things up.

As certain TYS FAs might say, bless your heart.....

I am in full agreement that communication is an important thing, and I encourage all our pilots to make known their opinions and request for information. But I also know that many claim they send the Fastreads right to their spam folder too. I am also in agreement that the timing on the original forum is suspicious, but suspicions do not equal proof.

As to the FB pages, both of the ones that have been shut down were started and run by individual pilots. The company requested that the first one be shut down, ostensibly because people were posting company material. Perhaps the second one was shuttered for the same reason, but given that the admin on that one was one of our more outspoken pilots, I doubt the company or union asking him nicely was going to have any affect on his decision making.

272922

If you think Flight Pay Loss is an economic advantage then you should advocate for changes in the policy. Or you can whine on the internet.

What would the real Mitch Rapp do?

MitchRapp

You need to take a step back and remove your perceived inflection from my post. No where am I whining. I am not a child. No where did I state that I had a problem with the advantages, flight pay loss or whatever you want to call it. You said there were no economic advantages to lieing or concealing information to which I disagreed. Settle down, you rattle too easily.

The real Mitch Rapp wouldn't waste his time. Good luck out there.