You've never flat out denied it.

Anyway you should just tell the pilot group where you are at. Take the temperature of the group before negotiating something new. It's not your decision alone.

Of course it's not TR's decision alone. It's the MEC's decision, which the pilot group elects.

Don't like their decisions? Vote for someone else, or start the recall, or decertification if you're feeling really ambitious.

Or you can just keep betraying your lack of knowledge about how this whole process works.

I'm pretty sure I know which of those options you'll choose. The easy one.

Quit with the insults. Grow up.
It is the responsibility of the MEC to inform the pilot group of the arbitrators decision. People are and have been making life altering decisions based on critical pay. We have lost 20 year pilots because they are making less now than they did under the old contract. All the while we negotiate higher pay to retain f/o's.
Clearly ALPA has no long term plan.

You're in the minority. Try and look at this from our point of view. This is a new development and you need to check in with your constituency. Do your job.

Minority of what? The minority of people that have an opinion, or the minority of people who actually care enough to get involved in the process?

It's easy to be a flaming keyboard commando, especially considering understanding and patience are not prerequistes for the job. It's not nearly as easy to actually get off your ass and do something, because then you might actually have to give up some time and *gasp* learn something that may conflict with your ill
Informed worldview.

The MEC and other union volunteers are just like everyone else; line pilots with an opinion. They've just chosen to be constructive with it.

Yeah, that whole idea of growing from 49 airplanes in a period where pilots were easy to hire, to a much larger carrier in an environment where pilots are a scarce resource clearly shows absolutely no long term thinking.

Zero.

Zilch.

Nada.

You report to us, not the other way around. Right now we're asking for an answer to a question. I fully expect you to answer it immediately or you should step down. This isn't a discussion or a negotiation. Do as you are told and answer the question, either publicly or privately.

Nobody here should have to ask you twice, its common decency and frankly you are just rude and arrogant thinking you know what's best.

If you want a dog on a leash you should try the Humane Society.

If you'd like to go postal on the MEC they're meeting now in Dayton. All members invited.

But the fact that you're arguing with an anonymous name in the Internet and thinking that actually matters tells me that you'll do neither.

I can't believe I'm going to say this but:

Whether or not this guy is TR I agree with you. We have the right to know this information. We PAY MONEY for ALPA representation. If these rumors of the CCP arbitration being decided is true it is ALPA's duty to disclose this information.

If there are negotiations happening and you haven't spoken with your pilot group about it how do you know what your pilot group wants? If this is the case ALPA is most certainly not representing the pilots interests, they are assuming what those interests are. This is not why they were elected in the first place.

Tell us what is going on.

Have you called your rep?

Do you truly believe that your MEC, that flies the line and talks to pilots on a daily basis, doesn't know what the pilot group wants?

Do you honestly feel like TR, who has been the Contract Enforcement chair before he was MEC chair, doesn't know where and how the company likes to screw with people?

Did you even vote in any past representation elections?

It was your decision to close the private forum.

Yes we do believe that precisely. What we want is current information, you are not providing that. So -no- you don't know what the pilot group wants do you. We're asking for information right now, nothing more.

I had nothing to do with it, but you do know there's a new forum with MEC involvement and someone posting a lot of data, right?

www.bluestreaklounge.com

Well then you're delusional. If you're honestly suggesting that pilots how have been on property for a significant amount of time have no idea of the desires of the pilot group as a whole then you're thinking is very flawed.

Try answering the rest of my questions.

I don't care about what the other pilots think or do, I'm asking you a question that you are unwilling to answer.

Have you called your rep?

I keep telling you, I'm not TR. Wh don't you call your rep and ask if the MEC Chair is posting on APC while in the MEC meeting.

Better yet, why don't you go there yourself and make your opinions heard.

Or, just keep making demands to anonymous people on the Internet.

Again, I'm pretty sure I know which one you'll pick.

The lounge closing was the start of the lies. All data from the previous MEC regarding critical pay is now gone. We were told that the site was unreliable therefore had to be removed.
That was a lie. It was removed because ALPA wanted control over it.
Not letting the pilots aware of a arbitration decision is also lying.
Be transparent, and you will gain trust from your members. ALPA needs to be replaced.

Correlation does not equal causation.

What incentives does the current or former MEC members have to lie? What's the economic benefit to them?

What's your proof?

Lastly, aren't you at mainline? If so, seems like you've made out nicely.

Maybe the trip buy outs, personal reimbursements and qol that they don't want to lose by being recalled? The man has a point.; the forum being taken down once people starting questioning the arbitration process and talking about lawyering up is a little sketch.

You make it sound like they're on perpetual vacation. The reps and committee chairs that I have flown with in the past all have their phones being blown up on a regular basis while on a trip. The former TYS FO Rep likens being a regular line pilot again to a vacation. I think you're overstating the gains, if indeed there are any.
I will agree that the timing was suspect, and I pressed some of the reps on this. In the end you agree with their story or you don't. If the latter, bring proof.

As for "lawyering up," ALPA is already your bargaining agent in the process, someone deciding to go public on the prior forum about wanting the arbitrators contact information to bring his own lawyer needs to read up on USAPA and how that whole process worked for them.

Lastly, keep in mind that these are legal processes we're talking about. Please list for me legal processes that you know of that are fast. Red light cameras don't count.

I will also add that our reps, in particular TR, is traveling on his days off to overnights in order to discuss issues with NC members. Is he getting reimbursed? I have no idea but is any reimbursement worth lost days at home.

Any pilot working on this "new" contract is owed a substantial amount of money. This is no different than the company saying they are going to pay us $50/HR then paying $30. It's fraud. Now if indeed the arbitrator has made a decision and made it known to the company and the MEC then we all have a right to know. People are making decisions to stay/leave PSA based on their financial needs. Making an educated decision is paramount. I wouldn't be surprised that the MEC members aren't personally allowing themselves to be sued by withholding information.
I'm sure TR is a good man and that his heart is in the right place. But people make mistakes, and open communication will help prevent them.
Shutting down the forum and Facebook pages arent going to work. This is the Information Age after all.

272922, I really have no dog in this one. I was just stating that being a part of the union, in certain roles, does have economic advantages deserved or not. I don't really care why or that the forum was removed. The timing was just poor with the regime change. I've been a part of a pilot group that has threatened the whole lawyer thing before. It always ends up being more bark than bite. But it wasn't too long after that gained some thread steam that the server went dark.

You really need to take a moment and step back and think about the bigger picture. ALPA negotiated contract 2013, and the 4-5 months that the company actually abided by were really good for the pilot group. But the moment the company engages in fraud (a point you and I agree on) stop your apparent logic is to blame ALPA? ALPA files a grievance and argues it and again you want to blame ALPA? The arbitrator requests that ALPA and the company do their best to come to their own resolution, and ALPA refuses to give any concessions, and you're still blaming ALPA? The arbitrator takes his sweet time coming to a decision and, you guessed it, ALPA is still getting the blame. Lastly, there may or may not be a ruling and you're blaming ALPA for that too.

In case you missed the memo, ALPA doesn't run the company. The only way your union (well, you're APA now, right?) has to coerce to the company to do anything it doesn't want to is the arbitration process, and as I mentioned earlier that is a legal process, and for better or worse the legal profession in this country has determined that that takes times. And yet there are some that think it's apparently a bright idea to interject yet another group of lawyers into this whole morass thinking somehow that's going to speed things up.

As certain TYS FAs might say, bless your heart.....

I am in full agreement that communication is an important thing, and I encourage all our pilots to make known their opinions and request for information. But I also know that many claim they send the Fastreads right to their spam folder too. I am also in agreement that the timing on the original forum is suspicious, but suspicions do not equal proof.

As to the FB pages, both of the ones that have been shut down were started and run by individual pilots. The company requested that the first one be shut down, ostensibly because people were posting company material. Perhaps the second one was shuttered for the same reason, but given that the admin on that one was one of our more outspoken pilots, I doubt the company or union asking him nicely was going to have any affect on his decision making.

If you think Flight Pay Loss is an economic advantage then you should advocate for changes in the policy. Or you can whine on the internet.

What would the real Mitch Rapp do?

You need to take a step back and remove your perceived inflection from my post. No where am I whining. I am not a child. No where did I state that I had a problem with the advantages, flight pay loss or whatever you want to call it. You said there were no economic advantages to lieing or concealing information to which I disagreed. Settle down, you rattle too easily.

The real Mitch Rapp wouldn't waste his time. Good luck out there.

1 year 1 month.

Still no settlement?

What ever happened to firstclass?


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Are you at mainline now? If so, enjoy that paycheck and move on.

Banned apparently.

I was working at PSA under the current contract. I worked by the contract and expect the company to keep their end of the agreement. They owe me thousands regardless where I am today. I was also a union dues paying member. And for those that are unaware:

You should've kept bolding the line under the one you bolded.

Exactly what's wrong with the regional mentality.

Care to expand on that comment?

Still any word? Or is the company going to ignore this part of the contract till 2020?
Has ALPA done anything to hold the company to the contract?

In reality the union and the company will sweep this under the carpet. The company knows they are in the wrong and the Union knows they are on very thin ice for failure to represent. All I would like to know is what is the arbitrators decision. So I can go ahead and serve ALPA my law suit.

You know exactly what he means.

T.R. said we would know in the first quarter 2017. Let's see what the next 2 months hold.

I am not optimistic.

If someone owes you money, you should pursue them for it until they pay. Especially a regional airline. We're all in this together and if we let companies not pay us "just because it's a regional that we used to work for" then we're just hurting ourselves.

Well here we are still waiting. Silence from everyone.