Undecided on a Regional
#41
So true. Imagine you are a Delta pilot interviewing applicants. The first guy who walks in is from Skywest. You know they have high standards in who they hire. You know they have high standards in who makes it through training. You know they have their own training departments that gives the students a full understanding of the plane and the job. You know that they focused on how to properly analyze problems and respond to them. You know the variety of environments the guy has flown into. You know that when the pilot upgraded to Captain that Skywest did not pass him because they needed someone desperately but the guy deserved to be there.
Next walks in the Gojet pilot or the Mesa pilot. Trained by Flight safety. Put into the left seat with no experience at the airline. To some degree the guy placed getting his PIC time ahead of being in a safe environment. But he did survive those first few months, yea! But, did he deserve to be a Captain flying around or did he get there because they were desperate to have a pilot? Maybe he's a great guy and a great pilot? Who do you take?
Next walks in the Gojet pilot or the Mesa pilot. Trained by Flight safety. Put into the left seat with no experience at the airline. To some degree the guy placed getting his PIC time ahead of being in a safe environment. But he did survive those first few months, yea! But, did he deserve to be a Captain flying around or did he get there because they were desperate to have a pilot? Maybe he's a great guy and a great pilot? Who do you take?
#43
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: LAX ER
Posts: 1,606
Don't fall for shiny jet syndrome and figure out your priorities....money? Flow? Domicile? Then big based off that. Don't listen to other pilots because one might want a west coast base over pay where as someone else wants max $$$ or flow. Outweigh your options, research the company online and through forums (not what those recruiters are feeding you) and pick based off that
#44
Wait wait wait wait.... Denny's????
I didn't know they catered to flight crews. I guess it could be Waffle House crew meals so they lucked out.
#45
Yup, Denny's. I think the loadmaster just did a Denny's run prior to the trip. Lots o' burgers and pancakes and all sorts of stuff. But it was most definitely Denny's.
#46
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
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So, lately there are a lot of these types of threads popping up, and I can understand. As an outsider, looking in, its hard to separate the all the information and try to make an informed decision, especially if you are talking to recruiters and also getting biased information from forums.
To start, there is not a one size fits all. And the good news is that there is more than one good choice. There are also some bad choices.
-- Look at the base choices. http://www.pilotdomiciles.com/
Take a look at this site and try to decide where you would like to live, or where you live now. Not commuting is great. An easy commute can be alright. A cross country commute can suck. A two leg commute to reserve can be hell.
-- Trend vectors: Do not just look at a company and see where they are now, but try to gauge where they will be in the near and long term future. This can be difficult but look at various factors. If you are jumping onto the train when they are at fast upgrades, you may have just missed the train and the numbers could be swinging the other way. Look at long term contracts and company track record. If you get stuck at a regional for a few years, where do you want to be stuck? Does the company have aircraft on order? Do they own the planes? Are they getting deliveries? etc.
The OP mentioned:
Envoy - Transferring CRJ700s to PSA, but gaining E175s. They have a flow with AA. Although not the best working conditions, of the 4 you mentioned, I think this could be a good choice depending on domicile preferences
Endeavor - Fully owned by Delta. Endeavor was high on my list when I was looking at regionals but I still had Comair fresh on my mind so I was a bit skiddish. Endeavor does look like a good choice right now, especially if you are near New York or Atlanta.
Air Wisconsin - They lost a lot of pilots recently due to uncertainty of the future of the company. Now that they secured flying with United, they need to rebuild the pilot list. This could mean fast movement. Air Wisconsin has traditionally been one of the better regionals. Having said that, they have a lot of old CRJ200s, and its an all 50 seat fleet.
GoJet - People love to hate on GoJet. Just read up on their history and how they were formed and you can understand why. The have a relatively fast upgrade but people really like to talk bad about them, so do your research.
Right now, any regional will probably take you, so don't limit your research to just four companies.
To start, there is not a one size fits all. And the good news is that there is more than one good choice. There are also some bad choices.
-- Look at the base choices. http://www.pilotdomiciles.com/
Take a look at this site and try to decide where you would like to live, or where you live now. Not commuting is great. An easy commute can be alright. A cross country commute can suck. A two leg commute to reserve can be hell.
-- Trend vectors: Do not just look at a company and see where they are now, but try to gauge where they will be in the near and long term future. This can be difficult but look at various factors. If you are jumping onto the train when they are at fast upgrades, you may have just missed the train and the numbers could be swinging the other way. Look at long term contracts and company track record. If you get stuck at a regional for a few years, where do you want to be stuck? Does the company have aircraft on order? Do they own the planes? Are they getting deliveries? etc.
The OP mentioned:
Envoy - Transferring CRJ700s to PSA, but gaining E175s. They have a flow with AA. Although not the best working conditions, of the 4 you mentioned, I think this could be a good choice depending on domicile preferences
Endeavor - Fully owned by Delta. Endeavor was high on my list when I was looking at regionals but I still had Comair fresh on my mind so I was a bit skiddish. Endeavor does look like a good choice right now, especially if you are near New York or Atlanta.
Air Wisconsin - They lost a lot of pilots recently due to uncertainty of the future of the company. Now that they secured flying with United, they need to rebuild the pilot list. This could mean fast movement. Air Wisconsin has traditionally been one of the better regionals. Having said that, they have a lot of old CRJ200s, and its an all 50 seat fleet.
GoJet - People love to hate on GoJet. Just read up on their history and how they were formed and you can understand why. The have a relatively fast upgrade but people really like to talk bad about them, so do your research.
Right now, any regional will probably take you, so don't limit your research to just four companies.
#47
most you guys sound like high school sophomores - who get C's and act like Beavis - and this guy made a good observation in a humorous way
goodness
#48
sheet. that guy posted the only entertaining witty dry insightful comment on this regional retard southwest-smallytown-state college of mel-cfi and frat party idiot forum.
most you guys sound like high school sophomores - who get C's and act like Beavis - and this guy made a good observation in a humorous way
goodness
most you guys sound like high school sophomores - who get C's and act like Beavis - and this guy made a good observation in a humorous way
goodness
#49
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
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Posts: 219
To those complaining about constructive advice:
You probably aren't going to get much sympathy from the guys that got hired 3-4+ years ago. Back when you actually had to apply a bunch of the places, wait for the call, and then go to that airline just because that was the only one you have a CJO at there was no telling how long you'd have to wait it out to hear from your 'top choice' airline.
So the multitude of "I can't Decide" "Which Regional?????" "whats the best between ABC, XYZ, ZYX..." are irritating. Take some time to go through some threads and do some of your own research.
You probably aren't going to get much sympathy from the guys that got hired 3-4+ years ago. Back when you actually had to apply a bunch of the places, wait for the call, and then go to that airline just because that was the only one you have a CJO at there was no telling how long you'd have to wait it out to hear from your 'top choice' airline.
So the multitude of "I can't Decide" "Which Regional?????" "whats the best between ABC, XYZ, ZYX..." are irritating. Take some time to go through some threads and do some of your own research.
#50
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
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Posts: 219
So true. Imagine you are a Delta pilot interviewing applicants. The first guy who walks in is from Skywest. You know they have high standards in who they hire. You know they have high standards in who makes it through training. You know they have their own training departments that gives the students a full understanding of the plane and the job. You know that they focused on how to properly analyze problems and respond to them. You know the variety of environments the guy has flown into. You know that when the pilot upgraded to Captain that Skywest did not pass him because they needed someone desperately but the guy deserved to be there.
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