Have a little Respect for you & your Industry
03-08-2007 | 02:05 AM
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for a second there i thought you were in the military. You are what the airline industry might call a "Kernel" haha. i see your point but that kind of thing exists across all professions.
a suggestion to lazy guys like myself: wear the sweater (youll never have to iron your shirt) and consider a hat (youll never have to comb your hair) haha.
a suggestion to lazy guys like myself: wear the sweater (youll never have to iron your shirt) and consider a hat (youll never have to comb your hair) haha.
03-08-2007 | 05:11 AM
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On our last episode of AS THE PROPELLOR TURNS, we left you with Durty Sanchez lambasting Saab about his rep!! Just kidding.
Saab, for the record I agree with you. If I was to lazy to shine my own shoes, I employed the airport shoe shine guy while I worked my crossword puzzle. I ironed my own shirts on an overnight, and took extreme pride in how I looked. The ladies notice too, but that was a different time. Shades are ok in the cockpit, but not in the terminal unless they are prescription. Ipods are ok for dead heading or jumpseating in the back, but wearing them through the terminal doesn't look professional.
I can't cast stones as far as listening to ipods in flight ... I had every AM radio station written down and used the ADF a LOT to listen to them. I never missed a call listening to music and I feel a lot of times it kept me more alert.
Tom
Saab, for the record I agree with you. If I was to lazy to shine my own shoes, I employed the airport shoe shine guy while I worked my crossword puzzle. I ironed my own shirts on an overnight, and took extreme pride in how I looked. The ladies notice too, but that was a different time. Shades are ok in the cockpit, but not in the terminal unless they are prescription. Ipods are ok for dead heading or jumpseating in the back, but wearing them through the terminal doesn't look professional.
I can't cast stones as far as listening to ipods in flight ... I had every AM radio station written down and used the ADF a LOT to listen to them. I never missed a call listening to music and I feel a lot of times it kept me more alert.
Tom
Exactly...................I love my IPOD, but only during CAT II's
Nah I listen to it when I fly just not walking around the terminal..............I like small talk......................... I am starting to wonder if maybe my reputation has to do with Flight Attendants 
03-08-2007 | 06:06 AM
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This thread is freaking awesome. I am not a pilot but an avition enthusiast. Remember dress for the postion you want and not the one you are in. Always dress to impress because you never know who you are going to meet. Have you ever thought that the customers you talk to might be big wigs at companies that have flight departments. Everyone knows that the bussiness world is who you know and not always what you know. I personally think being a pilot is a good status position no matter what plane you fly and you should portray a good image through the airport and in the plane. When you think people aren't looking they are and one bad apple does spoil everyone. If you feel like you have to dress like a greyhound bus driver go ahead but always remember were you want to be in the future. You worked hard to get where you are and so dress like it.
03-08-2007 | 06:15 AM
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This thread is freaking awesome. I am not a pilot but an avition enthusiast. Remember dress for the postion you want and not the one you are in. Always dress to impress because you never know who you are going to meet. Have you ever thought that the customers you talk to might be big wigs at companies that have flight departments. Everyone knows that the bussiness world is who you know and not always what you know. I personally think being a pilot is a good status position no matter what plane you fly and you should portray a good image through the airport and in the plane. When you think people aren't looking they are and one bad apple does spoil everyone. If you feel like you have to dress like a greyhound bus driver go ahead but always remember were you want to be in the future. You worked hard to get where you are and so dress like it.
"When they pay me like a professional, I will look like (act) one...."
I see this side of the arguement, but I think it's a lot easier to say you're a professional (and for a boss to justify higher pay) when you have proved that you ARE a professional. The attitude stated above, which I've heard from more than a handful, proves to me, that pilots who have that mindset neither strive for excellence or have professional mindsets.
Like reddog said, you never know who may be watching. A good friend of mine just landed a sweet job flying a Challenger all because the CEO of a company was on the airline flight he captained a few months back(bad weather, delays, but my friend did a great job handling the situation and interacting with the passengers). As a result, he was asked if he was interested in interviewing. He accepted the interview thinking "what the heck". Ended up with a better schedule and double his pay.
03-08-2007 | 06:21 AM
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This thread is freaking awesome. I am not a pilot but an avition enthusiast. Remember dress for the postion you want and not the one you are in. Always dress to impress because you never know who you are going to meet. Have you ever thought that the customers you talk to might be big wigs at companies that have flight departments. Everyone knows that the bussiness world is who you know and not always what you know. I personally think being a pilot is a good status position no matter what plane you fly and you should portray a good image through the airport and in the plane. When you think people aren't looking they are and one bad apple does spoil everyone. If you feel like you have to dress like a greyhound bus driver go ahead but always remember were you want to be in the future. You worked hard to get where you are and so dress like it.
Good post...Reddog, are you a bigwig at a company w/an aviation department? If so, PM me! (hey it never hurts to ask)
03-08-2007 | 07:08 AM
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"When they pay me like a professional, I will look like one...."
Ok guys, I'm not saying we should follow the above statement to the "t", but it DOES have some truth in it. Is it fair to ask someone to keep their shoes perfectly shined, dry clean their shirts every time and have the pants pressed before every flight when you're getting paid $15/hour (GLA FO) ???
Now if you're talking stuff like stained clothing, untucket shirts and sunglasses on the forehead, then that's just plain sloppyness, no excuses.
I personally ALWAYS overdress to any occasion, so none of the above applies to me, but honestly I don't think we should expect TOO much out of a $15/hour worker....
Ok guys, I'm not saying we should follow the above statement to the "t", but it DOES have some truth in it. Is it fair to ask someone to keep their shoes perfectly shined, dry clean their shirts every time and have the pants pressed before every flight when you're getting paid $15/hour (GLA FO) ???
Now if you're talking stuff like stained clothing, untucket shirts and sunglasses on the forehead, then that's just plain sloppyness, no excuses.
I personally ALWAYS overdress to any occasion, so none of the above applies to me, but honestly I don't think we should expect TOO much out of a $15/hour worker....
Since we're talking about uniforms, I was just curious - how often do most of you guys get your uniforms cleaned? I can't count the number of times I've walked by pilots whose uniforms could stand up on their own. Geez people, take your uniforms to the cleaners every now and then! You can even clean them yourself with those home dry-cleaning kits. I send mine to the cleaners once a month, but use the home kit all the time. Oh yeah - UNIFORM EXPENSES ARE TAX DEDUCTIBLE, if you itemize.
I saw a pilot in the terminal last night wearing gold-rimmed Top Gun-style aviator glasses. It wasn't bright in the terminal. Dork.
At least he was getting his shoes shined...but c'mon now.
03-08-2007 | 07:42 AM
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A can of Kiwi costs less than $2. A can of spray starch costs less than $2. I can stretch both of them out for at least 8 weeks. Every hotel room has an iron, and you can buy one at walmart for $30.
Since we're talking about uniforms, I was just curious - how often do most of you guys get your uniforms cleaned? I can't count the number of times I've walked by pilots whose uniforms could stand up on their own. Geez people, take your uniforms to the cleaners every now and then! You can even clean them yourself with those home dry-cleaning kits. I send mine to the cleaners once a month, but use the home kit all the time. Oh yeah - UNIFORM EXPENSES ARE TAX DEDUCTIBLE, if you itemize.
I saw a pilot in the terminal last night wearing gold-rimmed Top Gun-style aviator glasses. It wasn't bright in the terminal. Dork.
At least he was getting his shoes shined...but c'mon now.
Since we're talking about uniforms, I was just curious - how often do most of you guys get your uniforms cleaned? I can't count the number of times I've walked by pilots whose uniforms could stand up on their own. Geez people, take your uniforms to the cleaners every now and then! You can even clean them yourself with those home dry-cleaning kits. I send mine to the cleaners once a month, but use the home kit all the time. Oh yeah - UNIFORM EXPENSES ARE TAX DEDUCTIBLE, if you itemize.
I saw a pilot in the terminal last night wearing gold-rimmed Top Gun-style aviator glasses. It wasn't bright in the terminal. Dork.
At least he was getting his shoes shined...but c'mon now.
Probably a Riddle Guy hahahha j/k j/k everybody relax
03-08-2007 | 08:39 AM
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Oh yeah, I know I'll catch hell for this one, but what is up with hats indoors? Why do pilots wear hats indoors? Do your respective FOMs state that you'll wear hats inside the terminal? Coming from the military, that just seems odd to me.
03-08-2007 | 08:45 AM
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To be honest I kinda wish we had to wear our hats, I mean I dont like the XJT "V" wings, but CAL, and some other emblems look good on the hats. I would wear it ever so tilted and so so slightly off-centered, the girls love it, hahah if you cant picture what I mean, just watch "Catch me if you can" youll get the idea
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