You need to read my previous posts.... I'm not going to RAA... Things have changed since my very first posts - including me. Why would I want to go to the regionals and get walked on when I am the king of my dwelling and make 250/day and nearly 150hrs per month? Thanks for the other advise.

Oh oh, one more thing. If I say "WILL FLY FOR *MONEY*", that means I won't throw away 25k for a type rating. It means I want to get PAID for my experience and INVESTMENT.
Best Wishes,
Jason

 

I agree with you man! Not even 20 hours in FL to get your DL. They do deserve a type rating if they PASS the checkride and MEET FAA prerequisites - PERIOD END OF STORY. That's what the FARS mean... THATS THE RULES. I completely agree with you!!

(this is not for you) A type rating does NOT qualify you to be CAPTAIN. A type rating qualifies you to FLY an airplane that REQUIRES a type rating, for instance a CJ3. To be the PIC of that flight, you may have to be "under the supervision of a PIC (IE: Captain) in order to *act* as PIC" that where "Acting PIC" comes from. You aren't automatically a captain because you have a type rating - you are "captain" because you have an ATP with type rating in that TYPE..... that's it! There is NO shame in doing a type rating program, if it is going to promote your resume and give you a chance of getting hired. Are you saying it is wrong for me to go get my CJ3 type rating because this guy wants me to work for him but he wants someone who already has the qualifications? I would hope you answer no!

This stuff is great!
Best Regards,
Jason

 

Agreed!
Jason

 

Thanks. prof pilot.

It took me about 1 and a half years at RAA to build up to 1200 and 200.

These type guys tho they are going to go be FO's and learn. It might even be better to learn from a captain than a cfi that doesnt give a rats a** and just want to build time.

Its argueable that you wouldn't want pilots to learn with PAX on board but I had PAX on board for IOE and yes I was still learning the airplane. And I still will be for a long while.

 

no they get the same treatment, the airlines will take type rated pilots with less hours. Airlines figure they dont have to pay all that extra training money to someone who already has the type rating. Look at it from a management view, would you rather hire someone already typed in the plane or pay money to train them? No where does it say the typed pilots are qualified captains. We earn that through seniority.

 

Hmmm. Not sure where you're getting your info about airline training...

How does an airline save money on someone who has a type rating? It's not on training costs! Airline new-hires who happen to have type ratings don't get to bypass training!!! They do all the same training as anyone else. When you upgrade to captain, that checkride serves as your ATP ride and type-rating ride. Inexperienced pilots with type ratings might have a slightly higher pass rate, but not enough to make a difference.

Cheap airlines like low-time pilots because they will work for nothing and are a lot more tolerant of QOL abuse than experienced pilots. The pre-employment sim training / type ratings required of low timers is just designed to help get them through new-hire training. Real pilots should be able to pass training without an extensive prep course. With enough practice, a chimpanzee could throw all the right switches in the right order...

 

either way, I didnt want to sit around waiting years to build time as a flight instructor. I want to get into the airlines as fast as possible and get my seniority and learn from experienced captains, not from instructors that just want to build time. Paying a little extra money is worth getting in that much quicker.

 

"No where does it say the typed pilots are qualified captains"

Industry standard says it does. You go to Capts school to get a type rating after you've earned your way up the ladder. That's the way it's supposed to work. That's why giving type ratings to 400 hour pilots bothers me. They shouldn't even be in an RJ, much less have a type rating.

 

so why is it ok that pilots get type ratings for leers and falcons without havin experience in them?

Yes they should be in an RJ they went up with the FAA and the government that you elected(or maybe against) decided that they are qualified to be PIC in that aircraft. Building time flying traffic or piplines is not relevant for airline flying now-a-days. You can say well it teaches decision making. But making a decision flying at mach .8 at FL370 is much different than makin the decision of what feild am I gonna put my 172 down in when my engine quits. Plus the six pack doesnt directly transfer to the glass cockpit.

I think all pilots should have type ratings before they are even qualified to fly sic. How could they ever be "in comand" if they arent rated that way. Im not saying they should pay for it tho.

If some guy with a type was in my class they woulda got the same training and they wouldve had the same amount of experince in the aircraft that I have. They just have fewer hours. With your experience argument we should be throwing out the simulators because how can a pilot safely fly PAX if he/she hasnt ever flown the acctual aircraft.

 

In the long run you will find that the shortcut is not in your best interests....the experience you gain as a CFI is invaluable. I know you don't see that from your perspective, but you might want to listen to folks who have been around for a while. I know there are some PFT advocates on this board, but they are most likely students or new-hire FO's who haven't been around long enough to experience their first furlough, and don't really know anything about the industry anyway.

The captains that you hope to learn from will probably resent the fact that they have to babysit someone who shouldn't even be there in the first place. You will be an outsider in your own organization after the word spreads that you are PFT.

And it gets even better...when you try to move up to the majors, the usuall process is to get recomendations from the captains you had as an FO, who are now employed at various majors...but uh oh...these are the same folks who didn't think you were a real pilot in the first place....bet they won't be returning your calls

And believe it or not, CFI experience is a significant enhancement to your resume, and the majors do care...even military pilots often seek out a tour as a military IP to get instructor time on their record. Why should they hire a 4000 hour RJ driver when they can hire a 4000 hour RJ driver with a CFI, CFII, and MEI. Remember airlines need lots of sim instructors and check airmen to do type training, PCs, PTs, line checks, fed rides, recurrent, etc...and all these folks have to be CFIs!

Bottom line is all FOs are captains-in-training....captains must be teachers, mentors, leaders, and supervisors. Anyone who is opposed to teaching or does not possess people and leadership skills does not belong in the airline business in the first place. Go find a single-pilot corporate job, many new biz jets are certfied single pilot.