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Old 09-18-2005, 12:39 PM
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Question ExpressJet and Chautauqua, and timing

I am a 20 year old flight instructor in Fort Pierce, FL. I am about to start a program that will get me through to either Express Jet or Chautauqua. The program holder is RAA (Regional Airline Academy). Does anybody know anyone that commutes during their reserve period for either Chaut or Express Jet? I live in the PBI/FLL and willing to be (MCO) based areas. I REALLY want to get on w/ Chautauqua because they have two bases right next door to me (FLL/MCO). But if things are roses at Express Jet (EJ?) then I will most likely bite the bullet and pay my dues away from home. The problem is this: Like most are aware, being a single man is pratically the only way to survive the first year.... I am engaged and plan on getting married Feb 1st.... any and all input on whether to get married first, then try to get on w/ chaut or express jet, or should I get on w/ one of them first then try to get married? I have a feeling getting married after getting a job w/ one of them would nearly be impossible.

Any input on Chautauqua? I am very close to starting a program w/ RAA that will supposedly let me "skip" the 23 minimum age rule (I'm 20). I want to hear the good/bad/ugly about Chautauqua, the fair word on them. I have heard nothing but good things about Express Jet. So how about Chautauqua?

What does anyone think of RAA (Regional Airline Academy)? Any word on how legit RAA is as far as their claims that I will be able to bypass the 23 year age limit for Chautauqua? Or does anyone have their recruiting number so I can call PERSONALLY and ask if they will honor such a claim. I feel that I am at a cross-roads in my life... and I need to make the right decisions to make everything work out in the long run. I dont CARE about hourly pay.... I care about where I live and as long as I am going to get Capt. when I turn 23, then I have 2 1/2 years waiting to be one anyhow due to age on the ATP! Anyhow, please fill me in guys/gals. I really appreciate the help and support.
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I thought the same when Im 23 I want to be capt but reality is XJT is a long upgrade probably 5 years at least only upgrade fast time is small commuters like where I work 6 months in a DHC-6,1 year 1900 or try colgan. But forget fast upgrades im 21 now and am debating moving on or staying put till 23 cause I have many friends Skywest, XJT, and its long maybe not skywest right now I thinks it could be 2 years but when ASA gets merged or Delta goes belly up Eagle guys will upgrade faster I bet.
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RAA like alot of other flight schools have "Agreements" with some regionals which MAY garantee you an INTERVIEW (not a job) when you meet that particular airline minimums and as long as that particular airline is hiring! Then again you can get yourself an interview ON YOUR OWN if you meet minimums and they are hiring! ... RAA is not offering you a short-cut or anything different than what you could do on your own (after you read the fine print)
 
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If you want to do it right, don't be in such a hurry to make the left seat. Experience makes a huge difference.
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don't get married and take chautaqua if you don't need to commute.commuting will drain your days off.all regionals are bad. period.if you have heard great things about any regional, try talking with 5 year old captains..........you'll see how they are all the same.

don't get married at 20,are you nuts?do you know how much fun you'll be missing out at the regionals????? remember, life at the regional is only make good by all the good times you;ll have as a single man , the companies per se all suck. do not get married, and finish you 4 year degree.

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Keep in mind that you can't upgrade or hold an ATP until you are 23 anyway. Going to an airline where you could potentially upgrade in a year or 2 really won't do you any good.

If I were you, I would not get married until you get a job. I have friends who have turned down class dates and bypassed on seniority because of their significant others. Seniority is everything...period. Your fiancee should understand how important your career is to you, and if she doesn't now, she won't later in life when you're gone for a week at a time either.

DO NOT go to RAA or participate in any other pay-for-training program. Continue to flight instruct until you have the time, and come in through the front door like everyone else. You are young enough, do it the old fashioned way. Pay-for-training is killing the industry. You should get paid to fly, not pay someone else so you can fly a jet. The company you decide to work for should provide any training you need to perform your job over and above the basic hour requirements you may need to get the job (of course, I feel that way about buying a 737 type as well). That's my 2 cents...take it for what it's worth.
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Originally Posted by TheProfessionalPilot
I am a 20 year old flight instructor in Fort Pierce, FL. I am about to start a program that will get me through to either Express Jet or Chautauqua. The program holder is RAA (Regional Airline Academy). Does anybody know anyone that commutes during their reserve period for either Chaut or Express Jet? I live in the PBI/FLL and willing to be (MCO) based areas. I REALLY want to get on w/ Chautauqua because they have two bases right next door to me (FLL/MCO). But if things are roses at Express Jet (EJ?) then I will most likely bite the bullet and pay my dues away from home. The problem is this: Like most are aware, being a single man is pratically the only way to survive the first year.... I am engaged and plan on getting married Feb 1st.... any and all input on whether to get married first, then try to get on w/ chaut or express jet, or should I get on w/ one of them first then try to get married? I have a feeling getting married after getting a job w/ one of them would nearly be impossible.

Any input on Chautauqua? I am very close to starting a program w/ RAA that will supposedly let me "skip" the 23 minimum age rule (I'm 20). I want to hear the good/bad/ugly about Chautauqua, the fair word on them. I have heard nothing but good things about Express Jet. So how about Chautauqua?

What does anyone think of RAA (Regional Airline Academy)? Any word on how legit RAA is as far as their claims that I will be able to bypass the 23 year age limit for Chautauqua? Or does anyone have their recruiting number so I can call PERSONALLY and ask if they will honor such a claim. I feel that I am at a cross-roads in my life... and I need to make the right decisions to make everything work out in the long run. I dont CARE about hourly pay.... I care about where I live and as long as I am going to get Capt. when I turn 23, then I have 2 1/2 years waiting to be one anyhow due to age on the ATP! Anyhow, please fill me in guys/gals. I really appreciate the help and support.
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Dude,

To qualify, I am a 34 year old Cap. that got dang lucky.

1) If this really is the right girl, by all means get get married. As an old friend told me once, the right girl at the wrong time beats the $hit out of the wrong girl at the right time.

2) Make sure you have a really well developed plan B, C, D, E, etc. Do you have any idea how many times your original plan is going to fall to crap???? Of course you don't, or you'd never pose that question on this forum.

3) Any deal that is too good to be true, really is too good to be true. But of course, in your heart of hearts, you already knew that.

Respectfully,


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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
Keep in mind that you can't upgrade or hold an ATP until you are 23 anyway. Going to an airline where you could potentially upgrade in a year or 2 really won't do you any good.

If I were you, I would not get married until you get a job. I have friends who have turned down class dates and bypassed on seniority because of their significant others. Seniority is everything...period. Your fiancee should understand how important your career is to you, and if she doesn't now, she won't later in life when you're gone for a week at a time either.

DO NOT go to RAA or participate in any other pay-for-training program. Continue to flight instruct until you have the time, and come in through the front door like everyone else. You are young enough, do it the old fashioned way. Pay-for-training is killing the industry. You should get paid to fly, not pay someone else so you can fly a jet. The company you decide to work for should provide any training you need to perform your job over and above the basic hour requirements you may need to get the job (of course, I feel that way about buying a 737 type as well). That's my 2 cents...take it for what it's worth.
Yeah, nice catch on the age limit. I was thinking that very thing as I was reading his origional post. He should go somehwere decent, do his 2-3 years since he's only 20 or whatever, then upgrade. I can't imagine sitting right seat for a 21-22 year old kid.....for many reasons. Also, we have another classic case of someone not caring about how low he is paid. We all know what that has lead to.

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DO NOT, repeat DO NOT give any money to these scum sucking sons of a motherless goat. Places like these are a major cog in the machine that wishes to pillage what is left of this industry. A job is not worth your soul, or the 20, 30, 40 or 100 grand you're about to drop......and it's been said correctly : THERE IS NO JOB WAITING FOR YOU AT THE END. Anyone can get an interview. You will be hated by about 75 percent(at least) of the people you MIGHT end up working with who earned their place in the world. There is no quick fix.....the quick fixers are killing our profession. Head over to flightinfo.com and do a thread search on PFT (pay for training). I'm already tempted to call you a loser, but I'll wait until you attend day one at RAA. Makes me sick.
 
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And you are not a professional if you don't acare about the $$ you will be making. This is my profession, don't bring me down to your level because you don't care about being able to support yourself with dignity.
 
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