ExpressJet and Chautauqua, and timing
10-16-2005, 11:17 AM
#31
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You talk about a stepping stone. What you don't realize is that your attitude and others like you are making the regionals a stepping stone - just in the wrong direction.[/QUOTE]
I think at AA Eagle, they call that "flowback"
You talk about a stepping stone. What you don't realize is that your attitude and others like you are making the regionals a stepping stone - just in the wrong direction.[/QUOTE]
I think at AA Eagle, they call that "flowback"
10-16-2005, 12:07 PM
#32
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low pay question...
www.willflyforfood.cc
the ASA question was/is - Would I fly for a career if it was always going to be low pay?
The person got hired...I imagine his answer was the one they were looking for...
-LA
the ASA question was/is - Would I fly for a career if it was always going to be low pay?
The person got hired...I imagine his answer was the one they were looking for...
-LA
10-16-2005, 12:25 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by bluesideup
You should not be getting married until you are ready to make that relationship #1 in your life....
That means everything else has to fit around the marriage. If rocketing up the career ladder is your #1 priority, don't get hitched yet.
That means everything else has to fit around the marriage. If rocketing up the career ladder is your #1 priority, don't get hitched yet.
20 is waaaaaay too young to get married, esp to put it under the strains of this business.
If she is the right girl, even if it is the wrong time, there is no rush. The 'right time' will come around and it will feel as right in 2 or 3 years as it does now.
Do yourself a favor and worry about how you are going to support the two of you financially before you get hitched. (LOL...on 18K/yr) Get your job/career situated first!
10-16-2005, 07:36 PM
#34
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The Future,
My big hope now is that in 15 years or so when they are down to selling pilot jobs I hope I can afford to buy a left seat in a west coast 737. I have already started saving. Flying for the airlines is a hobby these days anyway and not a real job. The regionals like to hire 20 year old kids and old men who are already retired from a career in the military or police. The second group is clearly the way to go. They don't worry about pay and can enjoy the travel and health insurance benifits. That is the way to do it.
Skyline
My big hope now is that in 15 years or so when they are down to selling pilot jobs I hope I can afford to buy a left seat in a west coast 737. I have already started saving. Flying for the airlines is a hobby these days anyway and not a real job. The regionals like to hire 20 year old kids and old men who are already retired from a career in the military or police. The second group is clearly the way to go. They don't worry about pay and can enjoy the travel and health insurance benifits. That is the way to do it.
Skyline
10-17-2005, 07:37 AM
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Alright....my original point was to warn this kid off of the PFT route...that's what we're supposed to be doing. Now that he should realize that it(PFT) is gutting the industry, and that his lack of concern regarding wages makes him nothing more than a hack let's get back to explaining what a waste of money his options are. Then we can go back to determining what a waste of oxygen he'll be if he presses on:
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Be very careful with RAA I am an RAA graduate. My question to you is this, what part of their program are you getting involved in? I went through their program from instrument to commercial and then got my type rating in the CRJ. Remember, they are just a flight school making lots of promises so they can keep their planes in the air. Once you sign a contract with them your sunk. No way out. My type rating at CAE cost me about $30,000.00. Any extra sessions you take beyond the 7 they give you are at $600.00 an hour. And you will probably not do it in 7. I just hate to see you get suckered into spending money you don't have to. Remember...they're not in business to get you a job, they're in business to make money.
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Be very careful with RAA I am an RAA graduate. My question to you is this, what part of their program are you getting involved in? I went through their program from instrument to commercial and then got my type rating in the CRJ. Remember, they are just a flight school making lots of promises so they can keep their planes in the air. Once you sign a contract with them your sunk. No way out. My type rating at CAE cost me about $30,000.00. Any extra sessions you take beyond the 7 they give you are at $600.00 an hour. And you will probably not do it in 7. I just hate to see you get suckered into spending money you don't have to. Remember...they're not in business to get you a job, they're in business to make money.
10-17-2005, 07:48 AM
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Why spend all that money when at 500 hours you could be in the right seat of a 121 carrier without spending it. CHQ is asking pilots to take time off without pay because they have too many in the 145's right now. they have cancelled classes.
Why not go get your CFI and instruct somewhere. Tow banners, do scenic flights....anything...don't just throw money at RAA and hope to get a job that later you will have figured out you could have gotten anyway!
Just my opinion!
Why not go get your CFI and instruct somewhere. Tow banners, do scenic flights....anything...don't just throw money at RAA and hope to get a job that later you will have figured out you could have gotten anyway!
Just my opinion!
10-17-2005, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TheProfessionalPilot
Any input on Chautauqua? I am very close to starting a program w/ RAA that will supposedly let me "skip" the 23 minimum age rule (I'm 20).
I dont CARE about hourly pay.... I care about where I live and as long as I am going to get Capt. when I turn 23, then I have 2 1/2 years waiting to be one anyhow due to age on the ATP!
A guy who wants to do it RIGHT.
I dont CARE about hourly pay.... I care about where I live and as long as I am going to get Capt. when I turn 23, then I have 2 1/2 years waiting to be one anyhow due to age on the ATP!
A guy who wants to do it RIGHT.
With all due respect, it's people like YOURSELF with this "I don't care about pay" attitude that is causing problems for regional pilots. YOU should CARE about pay. If you don't care NOW, when will you CARE???
With the money you're going to spend at RAA, buy a clue and become educated on the industry, and realize you need to change your attitude and start building your experience like everyone else. You can't wait another THREE years and use that time to become more experienced before moving onto the regionals? Talk about being impatient...
Part 135 experience should be a mandatory requirement for any pilot wishing to graduate up to the 121 world. And, yes, I flew single-engine 135 night cargo before becoming a 121 F/O. I'm twice you're age and care VERY much about the future of the business.
Rant over...
Peace
SF
10-18-2005, 05:55 AM
#38
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Here's a link that pretty much sums up why this attitude is so deadly to the profession. When ads like this go mainstream it makes a sad statement about how far some people are willing to go "Just to make Captain".
http://tinyurl.com/b7qyh
http://tinyurl.com/b7qyh
01-03-2006, 11:03 AM
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My husband is a graduate of RAA. He was hired by expressjet with 600/200, which is a great perk. However, he also has over 100 K in student loans (a far cry from the $40,000 they first quoted him). This amount includes a type rating in a CRJ.
As for getting married, I am 23, he is 22, and we were married about 6 months ago, prior to when he got the job. He seemed to think that the airline looked at him being married as a positive sign and a signal of stability. If you want to get married, I'm sure you can make it work, as we are doing. As long as your fiance understands that you will probably not be around that much, especially in the beginning, and she is okay with that, then you can make a marriage work. As for planning the wedding, I would not recommend trying to do that while you are working for a regional. I go to school in Florida, so moving to a hub is not an option for me (and I plan on practicing law in Florida when I'm done.) I imagine it would be alot easier if I moved to one of the hubs, but its not impossible for my husband to commute.
Good luck with your fiance and your job hunt!
As for getting married, I am 23, he is 22, and we were married about 6 months ago, prior to when he got the job. He seemed to think that the airline looked at him being married as a positive sign and a signal of stability. If you want to get married, I'm sure you can make it work, as we are doing. As long as your fiance understands that you will probably not be around that much, especially in the beginning, and she is okay with that, then you can make a marriage work. As for planning the wedding, I would not recommend trying to do that while you are working for a regional. I go to school in Florida, so moving to a hub is not an option for me (and I plan on practicing law in Florida when I'm done.) I imagine it would be alot easier if I moved to one of the hubs, but its not impossible for my husband to commute.
Good luck with your fiance and your job hunt!
01-03-2006, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by warning
Irregardless? Try going back to the 3rd grade. That ain't even a word.
The argument is this and it's the point you missed.... the regionals are no longer the stepping stone that YOU'RE holding on to. Especially as they get bigger and bigger equipment. End of story.
Upgrades and all of that aside.
The argument is this and it's the point you missed.... the regionals are no longer the stepping stone that YOU'RE holding on to. Especially as they get bigger and bigger equipment. End of story.
Upgrades and all of that aside.
As a wife, business woman AND curious soul, I'm truly enjoying and appreciating learning about this industry (that my husband is about to enter) and posters like SkyHigh and others provide intelligent, mature and interesting posts educating the rest of us. Your bitter and immature posts don't do anyone any good. Spew your bitterness and hatred elsewhere. Why make these youngs guys feel even worse than everyone already knows they will in those first couple of years?? It just sucks to read posts like yours that are so full of bile and nastiness; if you think that these young guys illustrate what is "wrong with this industry", trust me; you don't add much appeal to it either. Ugh!
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