Hand flying: CRJ vs E175?

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07-04-2018, 08:46 AM

#21

zondaracer

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Originally Posted by badflaps

Serious question, what kind of workload on short legs? I used to fly FLL-PBI manually in a 757. I don't remember that being difficult provided you set up the approach prior to departure.

For the pilot flying it was pretty easy. I looked over and just some adjustments to the yoke and thrust. As pilot monitoring, I have to change all the altitude and speed bugs and heading bugs, get performance data, make all the radio calls and switches, weather, etc. If the PF turns the autopilot on, then at least he gets to move all the altitude/speed/headings bugs. Not that big of a deal but on such a short flight without fore warning, there were just some moments where I was pretty busy.

07-04-2018, 09:31 AM

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WesternSkies

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Back when we had to call DEN ops it was really a pain in the butt for the PM.
If the PF gets landing data/atis/briefs before departing COS then it’s not a deal IMO.

07-04-2018, 01:31 PM

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NeverHome

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Originally Posted by E175 Driver

Upgraded into that POS. Cant wait to get out of it.

Lol, the XR isn’t so bad. The LR is a sad puppy.

Really once you get the quirks figured out it’s not so bad. After flying it several years, I still think the yolk sux

07-04-2018, 02:18 PM

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A150K

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Originally Posted by E175 Driver

I hand flew the heck out of the E175 up to altitude all the time. Nice fine machine!

Now the E145 is garbage. Flies like crap.

Whatever dude. 145 is a great platform for handflying.

07-04-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VIRotate

Same thing happened to me. Turned off AP and FD in cruise prior to starting decent into DFW...Needless to say my workload was insane and I'll tell you what, it was super sloppy. On the ground, he apologized. I told him nothing wrong with hand flying, but maybe leave the FD on next time until you are set up for the visual. We survived with no paper work. Well there would have been had I not called the field when I realized he shot past the assigned base heading by 30 degrees. Good times.

What seriously? The FD too? What's wrong with people...

07-04-2018, 03:16 PM

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A150K

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Originally Posted by Idontevenfly

What seriously? The FD too? What's wrong with people...

I mean, I'll handfly a visual into an outstation without the FD every now and then for practice, but a complex arrival (i.e DFW) into a busy terminal area? That's just stupidity.

07-05-2018, 12:49 AM

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VIRotate

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Originally Posted by Idontevenfly

What seriously? The FD too? What's wrong with people...

Thankfully that day ended with many cold beers.

07-05-2018, 04:14 AM

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Cyio

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Originally Posted by Quarryman

Impress me with your beer drinking, not your hand flying.

Not trying to impress anyone.

07-05-2018, 06:35 AM

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DarkSideMoon

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Originally Posted by Idontevenfly

What seriously? The FD too? What's wrong with people...

Typical dick measuring competition. I'll do it visual at an outstation, guys that do it flying a complicated arrival are just showing off at the possible expense of my ticket. I don't care if they hand fly as long as the FD is up, but RNAV arrivals were designed for automation usage.

07-05-2018, 02:47 PM

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Fr8Thrust

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Try flying a round-dial commuter prop single pilot in the soup with an engine failure and/or a radio malfunction and then tell me being a PM while PF handflys a modern jet is hard work.. Also, a good PF, spins his bugs and navs when it gets busy. If the PF is just moving the yoke and throttles, then that’s not very nice, but still manageable.