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Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 2803404)
Yeah. What about the 824?!
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
(Post 2799752)
Even during the 2008 recession there was at least 2 regionals hiring continuously throughout the lowest of the low. Colgan, Republic, Mesa/Go Jets and Skywest were filling classes. Cfi jobs were also easy pickings for anyone with decent experience. So again this victim attitude doesn't work. If you want a job there are always going to be regional jobs to put food on the table. They may not be in your choice of domicile or the most attractive but there were jobs available continuously throughout 2007-2011. If you werent able to get hired as a cfi you were probably underqualified at that time.
Staying at a regional because you are afraid of another downturn is idiotic. A regional job is easily replaceable and is in itself no way secure. Work for an airline that writes thechecks. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2804727)
Nope, not the first 35, not the 824, not the protected pilots. Nobody after 9-11 was forced to transfer. Pressured to go yes, but nobody was forced that I’m aware of. There was a large group pushing for “must flow” but I’ve never been a fan of mob rule. The key wording as I recall was “opportunity to flow” which was interpreted at the time to mean they did not have to avail themselves of the opportunity. It was a heated debate at the time, but as I recall, it ended up being voluntary only.
What most in my peer group at Eagle didn’t like was the fact that those that declared Flow created a flow back spot—and then didn’t want to go? That hurt junior pilots. Bottom line is a flow agreement is a carrot on a stick, but as time goes on that carrot gets eaten away. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 2792823)
So I can't comment on what has happened in the past? Don't tell me what I can and cannot discuss. Mind your own damn business and worry about yourself.
Dwelling? Telling the history of preferential hiring at the majors is now "dwelling"? Once again, mind you your own damn business, not mine. If there truly is a so called “hiring discrimination”... it should be noted that women and minorities endured that for much MUCH longer in this industry. From what I have seen, I have noticed a few women that I know get picked up at legacy carriers w/ no TPIC time and a short stint at the regionals... but I also can say of the ones I have seen, they are quality people, great individuals and I cannot take away their accomplishments and blame it on their gender. Same goes for minority’s. Those accusations of ones success in moving on due to skin color and gender alone completely take away the whole body of work those individuals accomplished. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by GiggidyGone
(Post 2805704)
Those accusations of ones success in moving on due to skin color and gender alone completely take away the whole body of work those individuals accomplished.
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I never get why this argument never dies; yes, there was huge injustices minorities faced in the history of this country, many biases still go on today (I mean look at politics to this day); but, for the average white dude like myself it sucks that we may never get to United, Delta or American but if we were Asian or African American and our name was Jennifer or Megan we would be guaranteed to make it to a legacy carrier. No matter how hard we work, no amount of volunteering or leadership positions will do us as much good as being female or having anything other than European ancestry. That's not fair either. Why can't people see both sides?
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax
(Post 2805919)
I never get why this argument never dies; yes, there was huge injustices minorities faced in the history of this country, many biases still go on today (I mean look at politics to this day); but, for the average white dude like myself it sucks that we may never get to United, Delta or American but if we were Asian or African American and our name was Jennifer or Megan we would be guaranteed to make it to a legacy carrier. No matter how hard we work, no amount of volunteering or leadership positions will do us as much good as being female or having anything other than European ancestry. That's not fair either. Why can't people see both sides?
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw
(Post 2805945)
Truth BUT...us middle aged white dudes at the regionals still enjoy earning triple the salary of the average middle aged white dude in America. Perspective.
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax
(Post 2805919)
I never get why this argument never dies; yes, there was huge injustices minorities faced in the history of this country, many biases still go on today (I mean look at politics to this day); but, for the average white dude like myself it sucks that we may never get to United, Delta or American but if we were Asian or African American and our name was Jennifer or Megan we would be guaranteed to make it to a legacy carrier. No matter how hard we work, no amount of volunteering or leadership positions will do us as much good as being female or having anything other than European ancestry. That's not fair either. Why can't people see both sides?
Control the things you can control. Try not to be an “average white dude”. Good luck to you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by GiggidyGone
(Post 2806111)
Control the things you can control. Try not to be an “average white dude”. Good luck to you.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I get the history, still sucks that I have less of a chance of reaching my dream just because I'm of European ancestry and a male. |
Originally Posted by 05Durama'am
(Post 2806168)
Your right man, I started helping out at my local food bank a week ago.I hope what I said isn't taken that way. I know some people have advantages, I'm going to work as hard as I can to differentiate myself.
I get the history, still sucks that I have less of a chance of reaching my dream just because I'm of European ancestry and a male. |
Originally Posted by 05Duramax
(Post 2806168)
Your right man, I started helping out at my local food bank a week ago.I hope what I said isn't taken that way. I know some people have advantages, I'm going to work as hard as I can to differentiate myself.
I get the history, still sucks that I have less of a chance of reaching my dream just because I'm of European ancestry and a male. |
Originally Posted by Taco280AI
(Post 2806264)
What if you identify as a female? Just sayin...
I don't know if they are falling all over themselves to be PC, or if they are just afraid of getting sued if they don't hire you. But either way, gender is pretty fluid these days. Nothing they could do if you decided to transition back to what you started with down the road at some point. That point being after probation :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 2806287)
Don’t help at the food bank to differentiate yourself. Volunteer to help people and because it’s the right thing to do.
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99% of pilots volunteer on their days off to check that box. It is rather incredulous that a potential employer puts you in a position that takes away from your own valuable free time. But hey, they want to feel good about themselves hiring those kind of people even if it is a giant lie.
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
(Post 2806438)
99% of pilots volunteer on their days off to check that box. It is rather incredulous that a potential employer puts you in a position that takes away from your own valuable free time. But hey, they want to feel good about themselves hiring those kind of people even if it is a giant lie.
It was rumored that UAL was going to de-emphasize volunteer work since it really can’t be verified. I don’t believe it happened. Can’t remember how many guys I know stopped their volunteer work after being hired and did it to simply check to box/fill the app space. |
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