Aviation is too small of a world to talk to people in that manner. We must save that for management!! :D

We all say some dumb things on here at one time or another, but you're on a roll. With the info you've given about your hours and years away from flying it would be very easy for recruiters to spot your app and learn who you are. Just keep that in mind. We can all get heated, but don't burn bridges.

Apparently not me, according to some.

Once again, commenting on something is not complaining! Stating facts is not complaining!

I don't care if United is 90% female pilots, I don't work there. Why is everyone blaming me for bringing this up? I didn't bring it up, I just stated facts. A female or minority has never taken my job. I ain't mad.

We've gone way off the subject of regional lifers here. My question was answered a couple pages in.

Soooo, you're saying I'd make a good manager? :D

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I hear you and I've considered that.

Like I said earlier, read my post history. I've been as cordial as can be, until I'm insulted.

Seriously, what have I said that is so bad except for giving it back to people who've attacked me. I honestly want to know so I can refrain from doing it again. I appreciate any feedback.

I wish that CommutAir crew would've thought that.

Okay. A drunk post. Probably something I shouldn’t do.
I speak as someone whose wife was an aviation pioneer in the military but then chose a different path. She really suffered some crap to get where she did. I saw what she went through first hand. So I don’t want to hear any lectures about women in aviation. Pulease.
I have no issue with a female being equal to me, heck, even a female who isn’t “equal” to me but a great person and pilot getting hired ahead of me. I’ve seen some of them and I tip my hat to them. They deserved what they got and they should hold their heads up proudly.
I, and speaking for her here my wife, do have an issue with any substandard women (or men, for that matter), who get hired. We have seen in this industry women who can’t make it through training at a major. Rather than being washed out like any other person they are pushed off to another division, say recruiting, where their minority status can be marketed. Once their seniority can hold an easier airframe they are put back through training.
This is a disservice not just to the flying public, but a slap in the face to my wife and all the other women and minorities who busted their butts and overcame true discrimation to prove themselves as great pilots.
So that is my issue. Every time I look at what my wife went through and see anyone, white, black, Asian, female... doesn’t matter... getting a pass it makes me want to puke.
Sorry if I offended anyone.

Yup. No matter where you go, there you are.
Don’t judge your advancement or place in life against what others have attained. But look at your life as a whole. Are you happy?
And don’t judge others by where you are. As the slaves would whisper in the ears of Roman generals during parades, all glory is fleeting.
Why did that regional pilot become a “lifer”? Who knows. But don’t assume after a few years that you have this industry figured out. Thank God K4 threw me a lifeline. I will always be grateful.

I don’t know the guy but I could be him. I was away a long time - lost decade - and came back from a non flying field. And I’m old. My skills were beyond rusty. But I had 3000 hours in the distant past. Skills returned quickly. My past experience has helped me as well. It can be done. The past hours are valuable.

Take 2 crew members sitting in the same cockpit, one in the left seat, one in the right. One has thousands of hours of 121 PIC time and multiple type ratings, a 4 year degree(3.8 GPA) and no check ride failures or DUI's etc. The other is a new hire FO hired at the minimum required flight time for 121 flying and is working on a 2 year degree.

Who do you think was approached by the mainline recruiter and given a business card after being asked if they'd ever considered working there?

Needs more information.

How many soup kitchens volunteered at and kittens rescued?

Easy there Trigger. These boards aren’t anonymous by any stretch of the imagination and your company probably has some sort of policy about watching out on social media. Anywhoo. You really are gonna have to develop a much thicker skin if you want to last in this industry, especially at the regional level. Things won’t go to well if you go flying off the handle the first time a snarky gate agent or condescending mainline pilot rub you the wrong way.

^This x 1000^

Perhaps it means that female pilots are 42% less likely to come across as misogynistic racists during the interview.

My broad observations from working for two regionals, now at a major and jumpseating on SkyWest often. It would seem a number lifers at the regionals especially smaller ones or anyone who works for Hulas are oddballs. I don’t think many could handle being in the right seat again. SkyWest has a lot of very solid captains who are choosing to stay because of schedule and where they are based. At this point SkyWest seems pretty stable and many of their employees feel they have been treated ‘well’. I still think they’re crazy for giving up money at the majors for a Fresno base though.

Not the one that only has a 2 year degree.

Yes it was her. I've had this happen as well as an RJ CA. DHD mainline pilot asks to come up, he's on the recruiting team, starts soliciting my 24 y/o female FO for the only legacy airline which I had been pursuing for years. I had all the usual experience, credentials and education. Recruiter didn't even bother to pretend to engage me.

Something to consider...

Women aren't taking every ones jobs. In its intention, diversity based preferential hiring is a good thing. The Legacies now welcome demographics who have been barred historically and deemed unfit for the cockpit. They go out of their way to hire them. It is an attempt to right a wrong.

However there is a group of people who are more affected by diversity based preferential hiring than others. The Legacies are primarily out for themselves and not too concerned with fairness besides the two or three interest groups whom we all know about.

Put it this way: Initially the female 7% of 800 newhires in 2019 for airline X doesn't seem like a huge amount but consider this:

1:40% are military since oldtimers who have a say in the hiring department statistically are military as well. They are also guaranteed to have had high quality training.

2:40% are flows/CPP. This is a purely economic strategy in which the Legacies control pilot cost by keeping RJs staffed and wages low with a promise of a job or interview at the associated Legacy.

3: That leaves 20%. All of a sudden the pie for the remaining pilots becomes a lot smaller! The guy who lost the flow/preferential lottery through no fault of his own is now watching his peers, some of which settled for substandard contracts, get called while they wait. Add JetBlue pilots and Spirit Guys to the mix and your average non flow 10 year+ RJ captain is left with:

4: The final 10%. The experienced RJ Captain is left behind. He forces himself to go to Hiring events for gays, blacks, and women. He's not there to show support. He's there to beg for someone to look at his resume. He buys the tickets, the right colored suit and tie, the hotel room, and the rental car. He does it year after year even though it feels wrong. He gets conflicting information "keep doing what you're doing, try to get another type, when was your last initial?, do you do volunteer work?" He hears nothing meanwhile he sees 2000hour giggly girls in their 20's getting hired.

Now naturally its easy for a man in the final 10% to get hung up on the diversity preference. That is the pond he's in and those are the fish he's swimming with so one can understand his frustration. As myopic as it may be to blame the minorities for not getting hired I sympathize with these people. Many were dealt a bad hand. Just realize the real reason that you are left behind may very well be that you simply lost the RJ lottery.

My advice to people stuck in the RJ world is this: GET OUT!
You've lost the RJ lottery. They are not pulling many from your ranks for whatever reason. You are competing in the last 3-5% of the hiring pool. Go to a ULCC, LCC, Cargo or whatever it takes. Just don't stay in your CRJ, you have plateaued.

Please if there is a God in Heaven please don’t choose Xjet. Your attitude is horrendous, you definitely need some humble pie. As you are right now with this attitude you are a liability on the flight deck.

No question, the female. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. Only fair way to do it is based purely on credentials, even remove sex and color from the candidates application. Everything wrong in today's world probably stems from a lawyer and a lawsuit.

Watching a meltdown on the message boards never gets old.

It’s like driving by a car wreck on the interstate, you have to slow down to sneak a peak.

This begs the question: Should every profession represent a cross-section of society?

Professional sports teams?
Hairdressers?
Pedicurists?
Wait staff?
Nurses?
Teachers?

If not, why?

Garbage men

I'm a lawyer - this is 100% true...

Where are you getting $78/hr at Jetblue from?

Many just don't want to be #13999 on the list when the next recession hits.

No. Because some lines of work simply don't interest a certain sex. It has been proven that women avoid certain careers, not because they can't do them well, but simply because they don't want the lifestyle. Men, on average, work more hours, take less sick days, take less time off, use less vacation time than women from studies I've seen. Much of it has to do with family, especially if there are kids involved. In this case maybe being a pilot isn't as desired for women because it will take them away from family more.

Other jobs, they just don't want to do. How many straight men do nails? How many women collect garbage? Both potentially pay well, just no desire to do it.

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa, it’s now up to $86.

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...etblue_airways

That’s still a pay cut for a senior regional captain most places today. Especially when you consider the cost of the crash pad and the loss of scheduling priority that allowed them to pick up premium pay. Even more so if they were an LCA or SLIP living in base. The point is that it’s a CUT.

How about with retirement? Profit sharing? It's pretty easy to skew the numbers the other way.

Wonder if all of this is the reason women live longer than men.

Many reasons people don’t leave. It’s always funny though when people make up stories to justify their reasons why they haven’t left. This from a Skywest lifer thread is typical

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I'm running into guys who left 20 year ago.

One guy, a UAL F/O wishes he'd never left.

One guy got furloughed by the same major - twice. He was literally an OO new-hire three times.

Another guy is a wide-body F/O. He could easily be a narrow-body captain but still wouldn't hold weekends off.

Everyone I know who went to SWA is happy there and making good money. I often ask them what there are doing next weekend - invariably, it's working.

Most of the guys I know that were unhappy here are unhappy elsewhere too”

Newsflash. I’ve NEVER met anyone from UA, DL, SWA or the bigger cargo carriers who think they make a mistake leaving. Crock of shjt. They guy that posted that is essentially unhirable anyway as he’s a miserable SOAB.

The vast majority of the weirdest and worst pilots I flew with at XJT were lifers. Always with an excuse of why they stayed on and the excuse was always odd.

Lol. Yup, and how long would a new hire have to stick around here to hold a captain seat with weekends off in a west coast base? MF is quite a character.

No.

Every profession should reasonably represent a fair cross section of qualified applicants. If there's real discrimination it would show up there.

Also reasonable (IMO only) to help improve education and outreach for the youth of under-represented demographics. I'm willing to pay for that too. Teach a man to fish and all that.

But once you're an adult you need to compete on your merits, otherwise you institutionalize hypocrisy, perpetuate racial/cultural divides, and perpetuate a culture of people who do not stand on their own two feet. Look to the federal civil service if you have any questions about that last.

Absolutely not!

People should be hired on their merits, nothing more (except maybe their personalities too of course).

Hiring someone for their skin color, nationality, race, sexual preference, sex, etc is pure discrimination -- the same as it would be for NOT hiring someone based on the same criteria.

Oh, EVENTUALLY it’s a MUCH better deal, if the person has enough flying years left, but that doesn’t stop it from being a short term hit in the pocketbook. And yeah, I could certainly take the hit and maybe you could too, but I don’t have kids in college or any serious medical problems in my family that my insurance doesn’t cover or kids that have run afoul of drugs or the law. And frankly, some people just live paycheck to paycheck and it doesn’t matter if they are a regional FO or a legacy widebidy captain. I’m not advocating that lifestyle, but a lot of people do it.

All I’m saying is that it would be easier to take the step from senior regional captain to juniorist of the junior major FO if the economic hit weren’t there.

NOPE, diversity is good, but NOT FOR DIVERSITY'S SAKE.

Wow, you mean like how being a pilot doesn't really interest a certain sex as much as the other?

Also been proven that when the reality of an airline career hits them, they bail out.

Ya think?

Yet straight males go into nursing, yet under represented. Teachers, same.....

And why are singling out "straight"?

Exactly, the point I've made, Goggles has in the past, and others is, what's the ratio of those specific applicants vs. interviewed/hired? Pretty sure it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out.

EXACTLY. This is where the help, chance, opportunity needs to be extended/given.

Again, true.