Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792297)

Dude, where are you getting this from?

I got "TBNT" emails from Republic and Endeavor like everyone else apparently.

I interviewed with G7 for a Near-DEC position and when they told me I would be required to upgrade in 3 months, I told them I couldn't promise them that. Should I have lied to them?

As far as the majors, I've said numerous times here that my most realistic chance is getting on with a LCC/ULCC after a couple years at a regional.

You've been very fair to me and given me some solid advice on here, and I appreciate it, but you've misunderstood my expectations. For me to make it to a major at my age after the long layoff would be a minor miracle. But I'm going to try anyway.

Hell, at this point in my life and the way my flying career and oil & gas career (laid off twice) has gone, being a lifer at a regional is an upgrade.

Cheers dera, no offense taken.

Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2792301)

Have you thought about one of the AA wholly owned regionals? At least if for some reason you didn’t get a call from a legacy you’ll either flow (maybe if you have enough time on your side) or retire at least with AA travel bennies.

Just another thing to think about.

Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2792301)

Have you thought about one of the AA wholly owned regionals? At least if for some reason you didn’t get a call from a legacy you’ll either flow (maybe if you have enough time on your side) or retire at least with AA travel bennies.

Just another thing to think about.

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792307)

If they had a "guaranteed" flow, I might consider it.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2792310)

They do. Don't let the ******heads here tell you otherwise.
It's been going for decades.

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792312)

Which ones, and how long to flow?

I'm not exactly a spring chicken as you know.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2792306)

Republic and Endeavor are sending an email to what they consider "qualified" candidates saying "we are full until xxxmber, but we would like to interview you" - a friend of mine got his yesterday. So no, they don't say TBNT to everyone.
This will change soon anyway, just as it did last year, when most of the "pool" candidates go elsewhere.
A year ago, Endeavor was saying "no", and then in a few months, they started hiring like crazy when they realized their pool went elsewhere.

Anyway - I was referring to your earlier posts, where you did say anyone with 1000TPIC should be competitive and that you're not going to wait for a year to upgrade. I think you've changed your opinion since that though so we do agree on that.
The reason why I bring up corporate is, that you can get much, much better QOL faster at them than at any airline when you have to commute anyway. Most corporate gigs will pay for your ticket, instead of having to deadhead on your own time.

I don't think you understand how soul-crushing commuting to junior reserve is. And I know you know I mean no offense by any of these posts.

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792315)

Even to IAH for me? Six direct one hour flights a day or a 4 hour drive?

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2792314)

Envoy is 7-8 years at the high end. Very likely to drop below that.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2792317)

Yes. If you can't sit reserve at home (which you can't) - it will destroy your soul. 2 hour callout so you have to fly in for a block that starts at 4AM (which means the night before) - you have to either get a hotel room, or a crashpad, sit there all day, and do nothing. And for a 5 day block, you'll be there flying the scraps lineholders don't want to fly "hey, we have a 30 minute flight for you from IAH to CRP with a 5 hour sit, then deadhead back" (or when someone calls in sick which means you got lucky).

Reserve sucks even when you live in base. Commuting to reserve sucks even more.

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792319)

Well I heard the reserve at Envoy is very long also. Is that correct?

Originally Posted by dodsqubam (Post 2792321)

I keep hearing about the preferential hiring of females and minorities. Personally, as a female, I’ve not experienced it. Regardless of my chromosomes, I worked my ass off and passed my checkrides. I have a college degree. I was a damn good CFI and I studied for my airline interviews. I dressed professionally and interviewed well. I have only applied to the regionals and felt like I was as competitive as a CFI candidate could get. Maybe the majors are different? I guess I don’t understand at what point being a woman is going to be that much of an advantage. Honestly, if they are handing out jobs at the majors based on being female, I’m not going to say no. “You want to hand me a job for something completely out of my control? Ok.” It just seems like the female/minority thing is such a rumor to me. Does anyone have any hard facts that being female or a minority really boosts the resume that much?

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2792320)

2-3 months after IOE on 175 DFW FO. 11/18 is the junior lineholder.

The airlines where who don't have reserves are the worst. That means lineholders ARE the reserve, which means you have no quality of life, even as a lineholder.

Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2792390)

You really are someone who will never be happy.

There are literally hundreds of 145 FO’s at Envoy in the 12+ month reserve graveyard, and you’re complaining about being a lineholder.

Don’t listen to this crybaby.

Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2792390)

You really are someone who will never be happy.

There are literally hundreds of 145 FO’s at Envoy in the 12+ month reserve graveyard, and you’re complaining about being a lineholder.

Don’t listen to this crybaby.

Originally Posted by dodsqubam (Post 2792321)

I keep hearing about the preferential hiring of females and minorities. Personally, as a female, I’ve not experienced it. Regardless of my chromosomes, I worked my ass off and passed my checkrides. I have a college degree. I was a damn good CFI and I studied for my airline interviews. I dressed professionally and interviewed well. I have only applied to the regionals and felt like I was as competitive as a CFI candidate could get. Maybe the majors are different?

Originally Posted by dodsqubam (Post 2792321)

guess I don’t understand at what point being a woman is going to be that much of an advantage. Honestly, if they are handing out jobs at the majors based on being female, I’m not going to say no. “You want to hand me a job for something completely out of my control? Ok.” It just seems like the female/minority thing is such a rumor to me. Does anyone have any hard facts that being female or a minority really boosts the resume that much?

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2746011)

But the problem with affirmative action in airline hiring is that it's ONLY available to people who have already acquired the foundation...

A non-white/non-male junior regional CA or senior regional FO with a college degree and 5000 hours is not at any sort of disadvantage whatsoever, even though they may have climbed out of a pretty deep hole to get where they are. At the point where you are even remotely competitive for a major, the disadvantage is all behind you.

At that point it's just a very cynical effort on the part of the majors to put numbers on the board and have faces they can put on posters.

With women it's even worse... there's only a "shortage" in aviation because most young girls are not interested in airplanes, and many that are might not be interested in the lifestyle (most of the ones I started out with dropped out over the years to be home for their kids, either left completely or delayed career progression to retain seniority in seat). If there really is some sort of shortage crisis of women (maybe just because they need every new pilot they can get), they need to do outreach in JH, HS, and college. As it is now it's just all the bigs scrambling to scoop up the limited number available. Even a legit early outreach program may be pounding a square peg into a round hole, but I'll leave that choice up to the pegs in question.

Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2792520)

Yes



When you get competitive within your demographic, make sure your apps are filled out.

See what happens relative to your peers with the other chromosomes with similar/same flight experience.

Read the other posts, especially Rickair's, he's pretty much nailed it in various discussions. Here, I'll make it easier;

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792539)

Take two pilots, one white male, the other a female. Same flight times, ratings, education, training records, background, basically all things being equal.

Send both of their apps into the majors, and my money is on the female to get an interview and be hired first. I'm not saying the male wouldn't be hired also or eventually, but if they're vying for one spot, it's not even a contest.

Who would you put your money on?

Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2792544)

Point is that you can’t control that.

Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2792544)

can only control how competitive you are to people just like you.

Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2792561)

"All these brown females are takin' er jerbs"

Originally Posted by bh539 (Post 2792461)

Where is this 12 month 145 reserve because I know someone hired in December who has 80 people below him already.

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792539)

Take two pilots, one white male, the other a female. Same flight times, ratings, education, training records, background, basically all things being equal.

Send both of their apps into the majors, and my money is on the female to get an interview and be hired first. I'm not saying the male wouldn't be hired also or eventually, but if they're vying for one spot, it's not even a contest.

Who would you put your money on?

Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2792790)

So what? You have a long road ahead of you, and you’re worrying about this crap? You have far more obstacles ahead of you then a few female pilots that might get an offer at United. You are MUCH more likely to be affected by checkrides, networking, recessions, etc. The amount of time you’ve spent dwelling on minority hiring at the airlines is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2792822)

Well that escalated quickly

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792222)

This here is the truth.


Just like when I was an FE and the new female FO was bragging about her upcoming interview with old United, while flying with a great CA who was a former B-52 commander who couldn't get an interview with them. Tell me, who was more qualified and deserved the job?

He told me when she was doing a preflight, "If she rubs that damn United interview in my face again, please stop me from choking her." Lol

Originally Posted by Fit4Doody (Post 2792834)

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792820)

I've had enough of you asses personally attacking everyone you disagree with. Go to hell d-bag.

I'm sick of you petty little twats.

Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2792835)

But she terk mer jerb!

Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2792835)

But she terk mer jerb!

Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2792831)

Dude. You really need to grow a thicker skin and act your age.

Originally Posted by Fit4Doody (Post 2792834)

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/nial...ale_Pilots.jpg


Do the math...7% of the UAL pilot group are females. That’s it. Not very many women take your job.

Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2792884)

#banned

Gonna have a nice little vacay after those posts....

And females aren’t taking anyone’s jobs. Period. They are taking their own jobs. I’d argue, based on personal observations only, that certain demographics get hired at lower qualification levels than others. Which, if you read my previous post, is something you can do all of nothing about. Make yourself marketable. Don’t make yourself that guy who seems racist and a misogynist and blames outside forces he can’t control the reason for not succeeding and then exploding on forums and using prohibited profanity to make his points and defend his previously mentioned prejudices... cause you’re kinda headed that way. Reel it in a touch.

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792870)

You deserved it and more.

I'll be fine as long as I don't have to work with asses like you.

Like I said, I've had enough of the personal attacks by you smart asses. If you can't give honest advice or constructive criticism instead of personal attacks, then f-off.

We were having a nice civil discussion before you stuck your big nose in it.

Don't bother answering, just get lost. No one wants to hear your bull$hit.

BTW, is "entitled" the only big word you idiots know, and do you know the definition of the word? Because y'all continue to use it incorrectly. How about you snowflakes find a new word to add to your vocabulary.

Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2792884)

#banned

Gonna have a nice little vacay after those posts....

And females aren’t taking anyone’s jobs. Period. They are taking their own jobs. I’d argue, based on personal observations only, that certain demographics get hired at lower qualification levels than others. Which, if you read my previous post, is something you can do all of nothing about. Make yourself marketable. Don’t make yourself that guy who seems racist and a misogynist and blames outside forces he can’t control the reason for not succeeding and then exploding on forums and using prohibited profanity to make his points and defend his previously mentioned prejudices... cause you’re kinda headed that way. Reel it in a touch.

Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2792885)

If females make up 5.18% of pilots, and 7.2% of United pilots are female, what does that mean?